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#1
02-06-2007, 01:52 PM
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Stud 8 - Multiway way pot with low draw.
Curious to what you think of 5th to 7th for this hand. My thinking on 5th was to try and figure out where I was at in the hand and where seat 4 was at. I thought I might knock out a few of the weaker low draws if villian 4 3bets with a likely hand of 3A's or possibly a boat as well. However, given how passive and loose the table was I'm not sure anyone is folding here anyways.Still undecided if I liked the raise or not.
I think given how 5th played out, 6th and 7th are obvious value bet/raises.Anyone disagree? The converter is having problems with the bring-in for stars so seat 6 brought it in for the minimum and then called the double raise. Also seat 8 has been playing extremely loose and creating a lot of action. He could have anything from 3 overs floating or just two low in the hole. 7 Card Stud High-Low ($1/$2), Ante $0.10 (converter) 3rd Street - (0.80 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 2: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___folds Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___calls Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises Seat 5: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 6: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls Seat 7: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 8: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls 4th Street - (9.30 SB) Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets Seat 6: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Seat 8: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls 5th Street - (6.65 BB) Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___calls Seat 6: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls Seat 8: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls 6th Street - (14.65 BB) Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___calls Seat 6: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls Seat 8: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls River - (22.65 BB) Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets Seat 4: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___checks___calls Seat 6: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___checks___calls Seat 8: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___checks___folds Total pot: (25.65 BB) 
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#2
02-06-2007, 07:37 PM
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Re: Stud 8 - Multiway way pot with low draw.
It well played. By raising 5th, you can't really get hurt by being reraised, so if Seat 6 folds, it gives you an opportunity (but sometimes not, depending on what Seat 4 has) to gain equity of some of the money already in the pot. I think you actually want Seat 4 to have AAA. So raising > calling.
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#3
02-06-2007, 08:18 PM
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Re: Stud 8 - Multiway way pot with low draw.
No one is going to pass and if the table is passive, then the AA won't reraise either. You just get more bets in a situation where you're not in particularly great shape. Raising when you have a hand different from what you are pretending to have is great if (a) you get the right hand to pass (b) people are actually paying much attention. Its not clear you have either of these in this hand.
gl dd
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#4
02-06-2007, 08:24 PM
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Re: Stud 8 - Multiway way pot with low draw.
What in hell were you doing raising 5th?
Raising 6th was a poor play as well. Putting money into the pot when you're fairly certain you have less than your share of pot equity is a good way to go broke in this game. 6 A 6 is a limping hand when others have voluntarilly entered the pot behind you and scary cards are left to act after you (unless the players holding those scary cards are poor and passive and easily manipulatable).
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#6
02-06-2007, 08:33 PM
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Re: Stud 8 - Multiway way pot with low draw.
On 3rd, is this a normal raise for you guys?
As far as 5th is concerned, I don't see how OP doesn't have 25% equity. If Seat 4 has AAA or AA22 & 3-bets, knocking out Seat 6, then Hero gains money. Maybe Hero doesn't gain that much, but I don't see it being a losing play. [ QUOTE ] Raising 6th was a poor play as well. [/ QUOTE ]edit:Hero has the low on 6th.
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#8
02-06-2007, 08:44 PM
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Re: Stud 8 - Multiway way pot with low draw.
[ QUOTE ]
Raising 6th was a poor play as well. [/ QUOTE ]edit:Hero has the low on 6th. [/ QUOTE ] OK, braincramp. He did have low on 6th. Considering that, I do like the raise on 6th. 4's were very live and a lucky river would likely scoop it all. If the 4's were all but dead I'd like a call better on 6th to encourage the other low draw who's drawing dead and the other high draw to stay in.
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#9
02-06-2007, 08:54 PM
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Re: Stud 8 - Multiway way pot with low draw.
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If the 4's were all but dead I'd like a call better on 6th to encourage the other low draw who's drawing dead and the other high draw to stay in. [/ QUOTE ] If they called the initial bet there's no way in hell they're folding for one more. Also the other low hand is probably not drawing dead. The bottom line is that you have the nuts but can be outdrawn, doing anything but raising here is retarded.
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#10
02-07-2007, 04:34 AM
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Re: Stud 8 - Multiway way pot with low draw.
WHy?
gl dd
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