Quick rule question

[VORP]

15/30 game. A bunch of limpers and the sb goes allin for 25. One of the limpers asks "Can I raise?".

[youtalkfunny]

He can raise, if someone behind him raises. So the question is, "Did the SB raise?"

Half a bet is a bet, so yes, the SB raised, and the limper can 3-bet (15 more, make it 40 to go).

If the SB went all in for a total of 20, he made it 5 more, which is NOT half a bet, so he does not re-open the bidding to those who have already acted (though the BB still gets his option, and HE might re-open it if he raises).

[AngusThermopyle]

Casino dependent.
San Jose cardrooms, it has to be a full bet to be considered a raise and re-open the betting (Limit game). So, going all-in for $10 more would not re-open the betting and the limper could not re-raise here.
Other places use the 1/2 bet rule, and the limper would be allowed to re-raise.

[MediaPA]

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Half a bet is a bet, so yes, the SB raised, and the limper can 3-bet (15 more, make it 40 to go).


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Do you ever need to complete the action on a parial limit bet to raise? For this case, make it 45 to go if you raise.

Or can you ever just complete the action (turn it into a full raise)? Make it 30 versus 25.

[VORP]

Thanks for the responses guys. I could swear I saw a hand one time where a guy wasn't allowed to call/raise an almost full bet. But it was so long ago it's hard to remember and I haven't seen this situation since.

This was at the Bellagio. Anyone know what the standard in Vegas is?

[bav]

Vegas standard is it takes a half bet to reopen the betting at limit, and a full bet at no-limit. But there are variations from room to room (and even from floor person to floor person).

[ChuckyB]

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Do you ever need to complete the action on a parial limit bet to raise? For this case, make it 45 to go if you raise.

Or can you ever just complete the action (turn it into a full raise)? Make it 30 versus 25.

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In our casino it would go: $15, raise all-in to $25, re-raise to $40, capped at $55.

If the all-in were less than half of a full bet it would go: bet $15, all-in for $20, raise to $30(completing the raise), re-raise to $45, capped at $60.

Only if it's less than half of a full raise can you "complete the raise". The player doesn't have the option of one or the other.

[AKQJ10]

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(and even from floor person to floor person).

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At Foxwoods my SOP was to ask the dealer and then take advantage of whatever I was told. I suppose I really should have escalated to the floor and gotten a ruling each time so we were still all playing by the same rules, but getting fewer hands for our $5.00/hh in the process.

I'm a dirty angle shooter.

[youtalkfunny]

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Casino dependent.
San Jose cardrooms, it has to be a full bet to be considered a raise and re-open the betting (Limit game).

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That's news to me. Thanks.

[RR]

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Do you ever need to complete the action on a parial limit bet to raise? For this case, make it 45 to go if you raise.

Or can you ever just complete the action (turn it into a full raise)? Make it 30 versus 25.

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In our casino it would go: $15, raise all-in to $25, re-raise to $40, capped at $55.

If the all-in were less than half of a full bet it would go: bet $15, all-in for $20, raise to $30(completing the raise), re-raise to $45, capped at $60.

Only if it's less than half of a full raise can you "complete the raise". The player doesn't have the option of one or the other.

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Just a note here. This explanation is in line with what is standard but he left out one tidbit. If you have already acted in this betting round you do not have the option to complete the bet. For example if the sb in the 15-30 game made it all in for $20 the BB could complete to $30 as he hadn't acted yet, but the limpers could only call the $5 more or fold, they could not complete to $30.