I really wanna talk about....

ama0330 · #1 02-05-2007, 05:49 PM

....what to do in these spots. What do you do, and why? Villain is meow chow, 20vpip, 11 pfr, meoooow choooow.

Whats the plan?

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $2</font>, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players)
Hero ....

barryc83 · #2 02-05-2007, 05:53 PM

RR pf a lot to a CO open raise. I'm like 18/12 and I'll raise 68s from the CO.

Hank Scorpio · #3 02-05-2007, 05:53 PM

Man, me too...playing hands like this OOP suck.

I think betting is the way to go though isn't it? If called just shut down?

EMc · #4 02-05-2007, 05:57 PM

Stop. n. Go.

Imrahil · #5 02-05-2007, 05:58 PM

I usually just check/call.

z28dreams · #6 02-05-2007, 06:05 PM

I normally just lead here. TT is pretty vulnerable to overcards.

ama0330 · #7 02-05-2007, 06:07 PM

Ok so we got people saying lead and people saying check call. What are the reasons for both?

ps, assume preflop is standard for now, its not important.

TheSalche · #8 02-05-2007, 06:09 PM

Both are tough, check/call gives a chance for the turn to come another broadway card, and you may have been behind anyway. If you donk bet, tough players will raise you here with air and you'll have to fold (cause you would check/raise with tptk usually, maybe even a set).

ama0330 · #9 02-05-2007, 06:16 PM

Here's my catch 22.

You can't lead, because you cannot bet three streets of value with the overcard out. By that I mean that if you bet and are called, on such a dry board, you cant be sure that you are betting for value on the turn. If you DO bet the turn, and are called, you basically have to check fold the river, and if you are bet into on the turn, you have no idea what you are doing.

BUT

If you check call this board, villain will basically know that you dont have the king, UNLESS you are willing to call the turn - BUT, what hand bets two streets in a raised pot with a king out, that isnt a king?? Or that cant beat a king? So if you check call, you have to fold to a double barrel.

What the hell? Someone has to be able to shed some light on this.

EMc · #10 02-05-2007, 06:16 PM

Check/call=>lead turn is my standard here, it allows us to pick off the CB of the villain and if he raises the turn you know you are completely toast. If villain just calls its you should use your descrition here. I think leading is a bad option as you are turning your hand totally into a bluff. Any hand you beat isnt calling and anything that beats you is calling/raising.