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Old 02-04-2007, 03:55 PM
neff neff is offline
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Default 400nl nut flush draw...smart, spew, or neither?

Just sat down about 20 hands ago. Villian seems solid, hasn't gotten out of line. I've been solid and haven't gotten out of line myself, raising and cbetting with relative success. Would a raise of 140 or so do the same thing?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $405.80
UTG+1: $94
CO: $106
Hero: $489.90
SB: $467
BB: $362.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $14</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($42, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $34</font>, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($110, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($110, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $40</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $441.9</font>
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Old 02-04-2007, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: 400nl nut flush draw...smart, spew, or neither?

Representing what ?
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Old 02-04-2007, 04:04 PM
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Default Re: 400nl nut flush draw...smart, spew, or neither?

i like this move better if you fired on the turn
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Old 02-04-2007, 04:07 PM
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Default Re: 400nl nut flush draw...smart, spew, or neither?

Is not firing on the turn the worst part of the hand?
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Old 02-04-2007, 04:16 PM
creedofhubris creedofhubris is offline
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Default Re: 400nl nut flush draw...smart, spew, or neither?

Wait, what?

Bet the turn.

As played, you have a hand you can showdown, call riv.
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Old 02-04-2007, 04:37 PM
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Default Re: 400nl nut flush draw...smart, spew, or neither?

Why??
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Old 02-04-2007, 04:45 PM
FireStorm FireStorm is offline
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Default Re: 400nl nut flush draw...smart, spew, or neither?

Turn bet here would be key to the river move. I think this river shove is entirely unnecessary, you can either wave the white flag or make it $150 and get the same result as you would have making it $442. Your opponent's line here is odd, but IMO you get called fairly frequently and the resulting stack off is obviously uglyyyyyyyy.
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Old 02-04-2007, 04:48 PM
higHstaKesOwneR higHstaKesOwneR is offline
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Default Re: 400nl nut flush draw...smart, spew, or neither?

i also think that it is better to bet the turn again
what hand can wie represent wiht the riverpush?
there are many darw possible at the turn so the most madehands will bet again to protect (also because madehands want to build the pot here)

<font color="red">any mistake in my train of thoughts??</font>
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Old 02-04-2007, 05:14 PM
wpr101 wpr101 is offline
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Default Re: 400nl nut flush draw...smart, spew, or neither?

This is one of the worst bluffs I have seen in awhile (other than the ones I make). 78 got there on the river. Why not raise to 100 if you don't think he has anything?
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Old 02-04-2007, 05:54 PM
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Default Re: 400nl nut flush draw...smart, spew, or neither?

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This is one of the worst bluffs I have seen in awhile (other than the ones I make). 78 got there on the river. Why not raise to 100 if you don't think he has anything?

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my guess is he's trying to fold a ten. it seems pretty obv to me if we don't think he has anything we should just call...

fwiw i think the turn check is okay from time to time, and i would generally fold, call, raise river in that order - with it being heavily weighted towards folding.
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