25NL What to do with AA on this flop?

[Fidodell]

Unknown Villian... Scary flop.... What to do? play it slow and just call? Or push as I did??



Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $26.85
Button: $25.90
SB: $22.35
hero: $25

Pre-flop: (4 players) hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $0.85</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $3.4</font>, Button folds, SB calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($7.65, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $2.25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $14.4</font>, SB calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($36.45, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $3</font>, hero calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($42.45, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $1.55</font>, hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $45.55
<font color="#ffffff">SB showed Th Jc</font>
<font color="#ffffff">hero mucks Ac As</font>

[Hank Scorpio]

Call the flop. If he bets again, I'm probably folding.

[lacrymosa]

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Call the flop. If he bets again, I'm probably folding.

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Raising flop is fine. Given the pot odds, calling down is fine, but I doubt you're good by the river.

[stonescar]

If a raise that big is good, why not push? Why leave $7.2 behind?

[ApeAttack]

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If a raise that big is good, why not push? Why leave $7.2 behind?

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My thoughts exactly.

[ama0330]

I flat call the flop and get it all in on the turn. Given preflop action, its likely that villain has some kind of pair, but a set isnt a definite and we could well be good on this flop. If villain has TT+ with a heart he's calling your flop raise.

I think that calling the flop, getting to a non heart turn then somehow pushing is best because if villain does have a heart or some kind of draw, the turn is when the equity of his range is lowest versus our aces.

In this hand the turn card is really nasty for us so I think I would just call a small bet and certainly fold the river, but I think that this hand has been mmisplayed on the flop as you want to flat call and push a safe turn. If you get AI on the flop all the money goes in with villain having a good equity in the pot, whereas if we can get him to commit to the turn he makes a far bigger mistake with his lone heart.

As played just push the turn he has nothing left. Horrible board though.

[ama0330]

Here's what I mean, using J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Jx as an example:

Flop:

Board: 9s 8s 7s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.919% 51.11% 00.81% 506 8.00 { JdJs }
Hand 1: 48.081% 47.27% 00.81% 468 8.00 { AcAh }

Turn:

Board: 9s 8s 7s 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.818% 31.82% 00.00% 14 0.00 { JdJs }
Hand 1: 68.182% 68.18% 00.00% 30 0.00 { AcAh }


Raising the flop puts a lot of money in when your edge is bad (or even negative) whereas if you can get villain to commit his stack on the turn he makes a far larger mistake.

[Tiki]

I think the hand was played fine. Do you allow want to allow a naked heart the correct price to draw? Of course not and your nice flop bet precludes this.

BTW, hero's Equity is 57% vs JJ-22.

A difficult hand.

[lacrymosa]

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If a raise that big is good, why not push? Why leave $7.2 behind?

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I wouldn't have raised quite so big

[Genz]

I don't like the raise. If a 4th heart comes, we don't pay off. So we don't care really about anybody pricing himself in. If he has a smaller pair than us, a raise makes it easy for him to lay his hand down, while otherwise he might bet some more money on a blank turn to protect what he thinks is the best pair. Especially if no heart is in it. If he has a good pair with a heart, he is almost correct to call our raise. If he has overs with a heart in it, he might think he has a combo draw and call or push. So our raise doesn't put villain in a tricky spot but makes the play for him quite easy, actually. He is most likely to have overs with one heart. He will wonder what we called with on this flop and maybe tries to see a cheap river card. We can evaluate then and think about whether and how we take the pot away from him.