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Old 02-01-2007, 04:33 PM
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Default i really want to call, 200nl

villain is mikeypatriot, i think i've seen that handle on 2p2. anyway, i have him at 16/13/4.

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $494.80
CO: $220.90
faded: $239.60
SB: $109.25
BB: $118

Pre-flop: (5 players) faded is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $7</font>, faded calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($22, 3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, faded checks.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($22, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $10</font>, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">faded raises to $45</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises all-in $213.9</font>, faded...

i think he's bluffing and i really want to call. what say you?
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Old 02-01-2007, 04:36 PM
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Default Re: i really want to call, 200nl

he probably has a set
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Old 02-01-2007, 04:36 PM
GrandMelon GrandMelon is offline
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Default Re: i really want to call, 200nl

If you like drawing to 2 outs then you should call this. His cold call then push really looks like a set.
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Old 02-01-2007, 04:37 PM
Abramovic Abramovic is offline
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Default Re: i really want to call, 200nl

Why do you think he's bluffing? I think his most likely holding is a set.
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Old 02-01-2007, 04:38 PM
Claunchy Claunchy is offline
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Default Re: i really want to call, 200nl

I don't like the way you played this.

I would c-bet that flop for starters. The flop is dry and you're in position with it checked to you, so it seems pretty likely you could take it down. If it were heads-up, I could see checking for value, but not against two opponents.

On the turn, why:
a) did you raise after a bet and a call with a pair of nines, and
b) do you think CO is bluffing after he called the initial bet? Just fold.
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Old 02-01-2007, 04:38 PM
Mossberg Mossberg is offline
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Default Re: i really want to call, 200nl

I would raise preflop quite often. As played, I would definitely fold to the turn raise - not a good spot to look him up IMO. Also, your turn raise doesn't seem right. You aren't getting value from worse hands, BB could have intended on C/R the flop with a big hand and you really have no idea where you stand. Also, you aren't protecting your hand from anything on this board.
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Old 02-01-2007, 05:01 PM
Weatherhead03 Weatherhead03 is offline
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Default Re: i really want to call, 200nl

Personally I play this hand a lot differently than you have.

I 3-bet PF

I bet the flop

I fold the turn since it looks an awful lot like a set.
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Old 02-01-2007, 05:05 PM
illadelph86 illadelph86 is offline
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Default Re: i really want to call, 200nl

you played this this pretty bad. rr preflop esp utg. bet the flop esp with it checked to you. given the line you took, fold. you'd have a better read on him if you made a play on the flop.
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Old 02-01-2007, 05:07 PM
ZingyDNA ZingyDNA is offline
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Default Re: i really want to call, 200nl

I don't understand why you opt to escalate the pot on the turn w/ 2nd pair. R u bluffing? You can't be vbetting, right?
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Old 02-01-2007, 05:19 PM
AbreuTime AbreuTime is offline
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Default Re: i really want to call, 200nl

If you find yourself in this spot on the turn and feel the need to protect your hand, a raise to 35 would be enough. You have turned your hand into a bluff by trying to blow BB (maybe a weak king) and CO off their hands. There are few draws that make sense for CO to have, so I don't see how you are ahead of CO, ever. Your line represents, from villain's perspective, to be a strong king, air, or set-type hand. He pushes anyway. Easy fold.
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