Weird Donk Bet After I show aggression

[HitNRunPoster]

My raise on the flop maybe wasn't advisable (maybe raising the turn or river instead?). Regardless, this is a pretty weird donk bet.

Villain is a TAG.

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10 players, 3/6 LHE at a smallish site.

Hero has: A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

UTG raises, hero (UTG+1) three-bets, folded to UTG who caps, hero calls.

Flop: K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Pot: 9.33 SB

UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Pot: 13.33 SB = ~6.66 BB.

UTG bets, hero?

[HoneyBadger]

call

(imo he's asking if you still beat queens. Tell him to get back to you on the river. Certainly bet if he checks. I'm afraid he will fold to a raise here. Or he will 3 bet with some weird slowplayed kings or aces.

Actually I think this hand is wa/wb from the start. Not sure about the flop raise.)

[Allday Everyday]

Yeah, I think that is an unsual donk-bet. I think you should call the turn with the intention to call the river or bet if checked to.

[swede554]

Raise, if he 3bets call down. If he calls, and lead river just call. If he calls and checks river, bet.

[HoneyBadger]

Villain is TAG and caps preflop: {AK, JJ+} maybe TT or AQs.

We are wa/wb here, either horribly beaten (AA/KK), freerolled (AKs) on a split (AKo) or have him badly beaten (QQ/JJ). I think this is a clear wa/wb, and you should call flop, call turn and call the river, unless checked to then you should bet.

[Harv72b]

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Actually I think this hand is wa/wb from the start. Not sure about the flop raise.

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They never believe the flop raise anyway.

As far as the turn action goes, I agree with calling down & betting the river if it gets checked to us. There's no flush draw (no draw, period) that he could be semibluffing with, and I think we're probably chopping most of the time anyway (and raising turn/betting river never gets the other AK to fold).

If UTG is a superstar he's hoping to bet/3-bet the turn with KK. I'd [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] that move.

[Allday Everyday]

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They never believe the flop raise anyway.

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So you believe the flop raise is the most profitable move? I always struggle and wonder ablout these spots. I usually raise.

[Harv72b]

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They never believe the flop raise anyway.

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So you believe the flop raise is the most profitable move? I always struggle and wonder ablout these spots. I usually raise.

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It really depends on the opponent. If UTG is a really good, thinking opponent, I may raise the flop intending to check through the turn & call a river bet...that will usually get the most out of a good opponent holding QQ (they'll often either bet/fold or check/call the river). That also has the added benefit of not losing extra bets to KK/AA. EDIT to add: This line obviously works better if you occasionally raise the flop without the K.

Against a so-so TAG I like betting the turn & river if he checks them. Against a bad player, it really doesn't matter how you play it so long as you don't give too much action if he says he can beat TPTK.

[tewall]

Agree. Hero has perfectly diagrammed his hand. It's hard to see how raising could be right, unless Villain is just a total idiot, because Villain knows exactly what Hero's most likely hand is. That is, is Hero had a better hand than expected, he could raise for value, or if a worse hand he could raise as a bluff (or fold of course), but how could raising be good when he has just what Villain thinks he has?

[JJH3984]

call. call. or call. bet. perfect.