Question to libertarians: why is theft wrong?

[moorobot]

That is all.

Alternative title: what is wrong with theft?

[valenzuela]

Theft is wrong because I dont like it when someone takes something away from me. So if I support an anti-theft idea Im supporting theft against me on the future.

[moorobot]

Note to avoid confusion: This in no way implies that only libertarians think it is wrong, I want to know why.

Although I think many libertarians have a different view of what constitutes theft than most other people.

[valtaherra]

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That is all.

Alternative title: what is wrong with theft?

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Do not try to define right and wrong; only try to realize the truth.

<font color="red"> What truth?</font>

There is no right and wrong.

<font color="red"> There is no right and wrong? </font>

Then you will see, it is not theft that is wrong, it is only yourself.

[Nielsio]

When you steal you are acting out the following principle/idea:

*I* have a right to property and *you* do not have a right to property. This is what we cann anti-social behaviour. Meaning someone cannot function in a social environment. Why? Because this person is breaking down human interaction to the following: physical power. He demands that human interaction should be based violence: on killing and getting killed.

The concept of property, both of yourself and of others is something we embrace naturally (it's in our genes). Only through corruption of the mind can one have categories of thought where theft and extortion should be institutionalized between man to the point where it thought to be universally wrong for certain people to steal and universally right for others to steal. And the difference between the two lies in the ones who hold the monopoly of violence; meaning: there is just about the largest difference in power imaginable. The breeding of this idea comes directly from childhood, where the child is completely dependent on the parents, who recognize this power subconsciously and who abuse it without a seconds' thought.

[Al68]

That's a good question. Some would appeal to religious beliefs.
One philosophy is simply that reciprical rights are neccessary to civilization, so the alternative is rejecting the idea of civilization. So accepting the need for civilization is accepting the notion of respecting the rights of others.

And as for property ownership being a right, well that's a result of the idea that a person owns his own labor and the wealth created by that labor. So the person has ownership rights to this property. Then if we assume violating someones rights is wrong, then theft is wrong.

And before someone calls me a Marxist (again), this is the furthest thing from the truth. I'm a libertarian. Marx did not believe that individuals have ownership or property rights to the wealth created by their labor.

[valenzuela]

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And as for property ownership being a right, well that's a result of the idea that a person owns his own labor and the wealth created by that labor. So the person has ownership rights to this property.

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marxist

[Al68]

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And as for property ownership being a right, well that's a result of the idea that a person owns his own labor and the wealth created by that labor. So the person has ownership rights to this property.

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marxist

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LOL. I asked for that one, didn't I? [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[BCPVP]

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That is all.

Alternative title: what is wrong with theft?

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It's against the 8th Commandment. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Jamougha]

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Marx did not believe that individuals have ownership or property rights to the wealth created by their labor.

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Uh lol? Surely the main thrust of Marxism was that people were being derpived of/alienated from the results of their labour by the owners of capital.