Who's to blame? Dealer or player?

[ItzMrFish2U]

I have AKos. 5 players in the pot. I'm 3rd to act.

Flop JQ3.
P1 bets. P2 calls. Hero raises. P4 calls. P5 folds.

Turn 6
P1 bets. P2 raises. Hero calls. P4 folds. P1 says "check" without calling the raise.

Dealer deals river card Q.
P1 bets. P2 points out P1 still owes for the raise the previous round. Argument ensues. Floor is called. Dealer is instructed to shuffle the Q back into the deck and deal a new river after P1 acts.

P1 calls.

River 10.

I won with the straight and get reamed out by P1 for a stolen pot. Dealer's or player's fault for the premature river? Does P1 have any recourse since according to the original river card would have won?

[jively]

P1 has no recourse - it's your pot.

But you definitely should have folded the turn...

-Tom

[ItzMrFish2U]

on a 4:1?

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Since P1 bet originally and also knew it was his turn to act, saying "check" is completely ridiculous and most likely an angle-shoot. That's what he gets for trying to see a discounted river. He can't have it both ways.

Of course, the dealer should have noticed, but so should all have the other players before the river was turned. But you can't change the past, and it's an honest mistake that happens often. Don't think of it as P1 losing a pot, but as him gaining a KITN.

[DayTripping]

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on a 4:1?

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Yes, fold. You are about 9:1 to make the straight. Given the action I would be reluctant to count an A or K as outs.

[otnemem]

This is arguably the worst hand I've ever seen anyone play with AK.

[Wongboy]

Where was this?

Also, what times do you normally play?

[AngusThermopyle]

Blame?
Dealer should have followed the action. Part of the job description.
P1 should have called the raise instead of saying 'check'.
P2 and Hero should have stopped the Dealer from burning/turning. What was P2 doing that he waited until the river was out and P1 bet before he said anything? And Hero?
6-7 other players at the table could have tried to stop the dealer.
So nobody gets to throw stones.

P1 can complain, but since he was the 'cause' of the problem, order him a towel. I would feel a bit more for him if it was another player who had not called.

[DayTripping]

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This is arguably the worst hand I've ever seen anyone play with AK.

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He doesn't raise pre-flop. He DOES raise on the flop when he misses. He then cold calls a turn raise for a gutshot with a player yet to act behind him.

It's very bad.

[allbad]

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This is arguably the worst hand I've ever seen anyone play with AK.

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He doesn't raise pre-flop. He DOES raise on the flop when he misses. He then cold calls a turn raise for a gutshot with a player yet to act behind him.

It's very bad.

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TWO players left to act, one of which is the original bettor and sure to raise it up once again.