$5.50-2 Bubble Hands with 14BB

[Steelerman]

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t100 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t5095)
Hero (t1400)
SB (t2165)
BB (t4840)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">CO folds</font>, Hero?


PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t100 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t1400)
Button (t2065)
SB (t4940)
BB (t5095)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero?

These were back to back hands. Running them through SNGPT, they are not pushable. Hand one, they have to be calling tighter than 10% just to reach neutral EV. The table was playing loose and this definitely wouldn't be the case.

Running hand 2 through SNGPT it's even less push-tastic. Just wondering how you guys handle these types of hands with 14BB. Would you go 3BB since you could still get out with 10BB or just dump them?

[mmorpg]

so fold then [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Steelerman]

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Lol, yeah I know..it just feels so weak. Really just trying to get a feel whether anybody thinks you can still open with a standard raise with 14BB here.

[RexWoo]

Usually fold.

With _VERY_ passive opponents, I might limp or push the first hand. It would be rare, anyway.

[PTB]

both looks like pretty standard folds

[Perfection]

Hand 1 I fold easily. Hand 2 Im tempted to standard raise but fold because a push is horrible and a standard 275 raise gets called by the big stacks in the blinds too damn often at this limit.

[AMT]

id fold both. if in hand 1 both blinds are unusually tight (unlikely) you can open to 250 but i dont recall that often being the case in this and similar spots, so id usually fold both.

[shakyamuni]

just for kicks can we pretend Hero is in SB on both hands
BB has say t4000
BB is still t100
Hero still has 14xBB's
Folded around to hero
Any change in the action?
Let's say we give BB top 10%? 20%?

(I have a mac here right now - no SNGPT)

[gibmamun]

shakyamuni

For me it would depend on how soon the blind level expected to rise.

More importantly, it would help tremendously if I know the player's tendency to call your ai.

Anyway to answer your questions, I would fold or complete in both situations. The BB is too big for me to fool around with unless he is very tight.
I am still comfortable with 100bb and not ready to make a move.

[shakyamuni]

just a double check - I think I'm folding both in that situation as well - rather not invite a resteal...

As for the blinds moving up I guess that matters here since its a regular but I'm normally in the turbos and it doesn't come in to play as often there...