Folding is so lame.

[goofball]

loose passive indian dude limps UTG, spazzerific old guy limps, 2+2er shadow raises in the CO, tight looking lady calls in the SB, I call in the BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Flop(10 SBs):K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks I check, Indian guy donks, old guy calls, shadow raises, lady coldcalls, and I do what?

[vmacosta]

fold.

Somebody's got you beat like 85% of the time here and you are gonna have a hell of a time playing your hand well postflop. Throw in the fact that you don't have T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and it should come pretty easy.

But I hate folding too so I'm hoping a mathy type is about to prove me wrong...

[bugstud]

K72 flop nooooob

[benwood]

Even though Indian dude is loose,you have to give some respect to his donk since he is also passive.Presumably,2+2er knows this & thinks that he has him beat anyway.After all this,tight old lady calls 2 bets cold.Better fold,imo.

[drbk2]

Am I missing something here goofball? Pretty clearcut fold is it not?

[bugstud]

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Am I missing something here goofball? Pretty clearcut fold is it not?

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ok, so what's your call/fold line?

[drbk2]

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Am I missing something here goofball? Pretty clearcut fold is it not?

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ok, so what's your call/fold line?

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A real good question. I honestly think this is a tough spot with any hand and I am not a big fan of setting a concrete line of what I would call and what I would fold. I think KQ especially with the Qh I would call, obviously AK if I had chosen to flat call preflop, and most heart draws. I think that KTo is too often behind and drawing way too thin to improve to continue with.

[Part_Time]

You should have folded preflop. Now you're thinking about calling 2 bets cold with 4 people in the hand already and all you have is top pair, bad kicker. You need to be posting this in small or micro stakes.

[HOWMANY]

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You should have folded preflop. Now you're thinking about calling 2 bets cold with 4 people in the hand already and all you have is top pair, bad kicker. You need to be posting this in small or micro stakes.

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This isn't a very funny gimmick account.

OP, I hate folding too, however I like money so I think we've got to dump the hand here. With KQ or KJ/KT with a heart I think there might be an actual decision to make, but KT no heart is looking pretty bad here.

[bugstud]

I really don't think KQ changes his equity very much. I think it's too multiway for a heart to matter much except as a blocker.