TPTK cordinated board turn donk question

[yossarian921]

To be fair on this hand i was getting killed at my normal 1/2 and moved up to 2/4 -not really tilting, but a little scared, sorry about the non converted hand but i don't know how to convert wpex and this is my first hand post so forgive me if i mess this up a little doing it manually.

Player 2: Small Blind (.5sb)
Player 4: Big Blind (1sb)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to Hero: [A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
Player 5: Fold
Player 6: Raise (2sb)
Hero: Raise (3sb)
Player 9: Fold
Player 0: Call (3sb)
Player 1: Call (3sb)
Player 2: Fold
Player 4: Fold
Player 6: Raise (2sb)
Hero: Call (1sb)
Player 0: Call (1sb)
Player 1: Call (1sb)
(17.5sb)
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
Player 6: Bet (1sb)
Hero: Raise (2sb)
Player 0: Call (2sb)
Player 1: Call (2sb)
Player 6: Call (1sb)
(25.5sb)
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
Player 6: Bet (1bb)
Hero?
If i am behind i figure i have the odds to draw to a jack 3.5 outs in case of a flush draw though with the cold calls i think someone has at least 2 diamonds possibly a K-id give that 1.5 outs dont like the A as an out. Do i call raise or fold after a call depending on action behind me?

[AlienBoy]

First, where is this so I can get an account? LOL at players 0,1 calling 3 cold PF, and 2 cold on the flop.

You have 2 people behind you, so you could raise here to make them go away and possibly improve your chances. Gee, will 0 and 1 call two BB cold here? Crazy.

OTOH if you spike a jack you'd like 0 and 1 to pay off, plus, if you raise here you may get 3 bet, and then be wondering if you need to fold, or you just get called and still have to face a river bet UI...

TPTK + Gutshot. Can't fold, calling doesn't fold diamond draws, which are likely behind you, Raising here could be best, but read dependent. What is your read on villains??? Stats???



AB

[yossarian921]

Its at wpex so i have no stats and until then it was a pretty tagy table ie 2 or 3 to the flop usually raised, maybe 20 or so hands in. Also with the size of the pot and the preflop and flop raising/cc'ing i dont think that raising would push out a diamond draw.

[Harv72b]

With the size of the pot I can't see raising getting rid of any hands that you'd want to get rid of (diamonds, OESD, two pair hands). You also have to be very concerned that 6 has a set, AA, or potentially got a little crazy preflop & turned two pair or a straight. So I just call, planning to call 1 unimproved on the river & see what happens behind me.

[AlienBoy]

Mmm. Tough one then.

Still I wonder what 0 and 1 have, and are they really taggy the way they're calling along here?

Pot's already huge, so no folding here. But we have to discount our outs due to diamonds, villain may have a set, etc.

I doubt the draws behind you will raise, and I'd rather spend only one bet to see the river. The pot is do big they may call 2 cold, so I'm not sure we have good fold equity either.

Call - not happy about it - and cross your fingers I think.



AB

[RyanCMU]

Just calling I think is the best play here, its a huge pot and you cant fold. However, I think raising will not actually get out any of the diamond draws out there or various two pairs.

The real decision I think is what to do if the river bricks off and we dont improve.

[AlienBoy]

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The real decision I think is what to do if the river bricks off and we dont improve.

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I'm for check/calling a non diamond river here and check/folding if a diamond falls.



AB

[yossarian921]

The turn donk and the cold callers made me cautious so I just went into check call mode
Player 2: Small Blind (.5sb)
Player 4: Big Blind (1sb)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to Hero: [A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] , K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]
Player 5: Fold
Player 6: Raise (2sb)
Hero: Raise (3sb)
Player 9: Fold
Player 0: Call (3sb)
Player 1: Call (3sb)
Player 2: Fold
Player 4: Fold
Player 6: Raise (2sb)
Hero: Call (1sb)
Player 0: Call (1sb)
Player 1: Call (1sb)
(17.5sb)
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] , T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] , K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]
Player 6: Bet (1sb)
Hero: Raise (2sb)
Player 0: Call (2sb)
Player 1: Call (2sb)
Player 6: Call (1sb)
(25.5sb)
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
Player 6: Bet (1bb)
Hero call (1bb)
Player 0: Call (1bb)
Player 1: Call (1bb)
(16.75 bb)
** Dealing River **
Community cards: [3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
Player 6: Bet (1bb)
hero: Call (1bb)
Player 0: Fold
Player 1: Call (1bb)
Final pot 19.75 bb- .75 bb rake
this hand always troubled b/c i thought i misplayed the turn

[AlienBoy]

Fine as played IMO.

I'm guessing you hate this hand because player 1 who was just calling all the way down with T3 riviered 2 pair???

(what *were* the results anyway?)

AB

[yossarian921]

Well since a few others whose advice i respected as a lurker approved of how i played no harm in posting the results player 6 had 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img](u read that right) and player 1 made a crying call with J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],MHIG btw 6 left right after and wasnt able to put a note in about how much i loved him. and this isnt a diguised bbv post, really was a turn play question b/c i didnt know if i was being too cautious. thank you for the replys