5/10NL - K4s flush draw turns TP

[swolfe]

5/10, full game

UTG ($815) limps, 3 more limpers, SB in, I check in the BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Flop $60 - 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB checks, I bet $50, UTG raises to $150 (leaving $665 behind, I cover), everyone folds back to me, I call

Turn $360 - K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check with the intention of raising all in if he makes a bet

Villain is okay. Pays off too much, but generally won't back one pair with his stack.

Good?

[amoeba]

if he is not going to back one pair with his stack, why would you checkraise the turn all in?

[Big_Jim]

Fold the flop.

[catcher193]

checking the flewp is ok.
also is B/3B pushing
as played..... your turn action should be determined by how much he bets and any other information you gather, but pushing this turn is rarely good

[MrTeddyKGB]

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Fold the flop.

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sorry looked like you said fold flop.

[donkeykong2]

i liked it at first, but now i saw it is a five way pot, and i doubt he would raise with just an 8 on the flop, u can basically only hope he raised with a straight or flush draw on the flop and not a set or two pair. if he limps overpairs preflop this would prly be good if not i think u r crushed almost always if he bets again here usually worse than a 75-25 % dog. if he bets anything reasonable on the turn u shouldnt have any fold equity by raising. check folding seems weak, but might be the best play here since implied odds arent too great if he bets the pot on turn.
betting here suckz i think because u r pot committed then and check raising gets more bad hands into the pot then bet calling. i dont think it would be terrible here to give a free card to some draw. so i d hope he checks behind.

[swolfe]

okay, some more info. 86 two pair, overpairs (including 99, TT), A8 (maybe even some weaker 8's), or combo draws are all in his flop raising range (he knows i'll fire on the flop with a VERY wide range). I'm now beating a good percentage of those hands and have a lot of outs against 86.

he's likely to fire a second barrel regardless of his holding, thinking that the K probably didn't change anything.

[Big_Jim]

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Fold the flop.

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sorry looked like you said fold flop.

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I think the reasons for a fold are pretty obvious.

The reasons for calling don't seem that sound, in my eyes. Maybe somebody can convince me otherwise.

[Big_Jim]

Also, as played, I don't think a c/r AI is automatic. He's very rarely calling worse, and never folding better. Whether or not to push depends a lot on his bet size.

[donkeykong2]

if u know this is the range your play is probably good.