10 NL raising light, flop good draw, 2 villains push.

Esmerelda · #1 01-25-2007, 08:26 AM

Neither villain had been at the table long or done anything noteworthy.

The table had been kind of weak-tight and I had been card dead so I guess I thought I might take this down with a c-bet. Don't really remember what I was thinking at the time.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
8 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $2.35
UTG+1: $7.05
MP1: $12.50
Esmerelda: $10
CO: $10.90
Button: $8.50
SB: $3.70
BB: $9.90

Pre-flop: (8 players) Esmerelda is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, Esmerelda raises to $0.5, CO folds, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($1.65, 3 players)
UTG checks, Esmerelda bets $1.1, Button raises all-in $8, UTG calls all-in $1.85, Esmerelda ???

No brainer??

I am not in love with this draw because it doesn't contain any nuts but I figure I have odds because people push overpairs so often?

Berge20 · #2 01-25-2007, 01:00 PM

I would be highly concerned that the original raiser has the nut flush draw, as these type of AI overbets are frequently FDs at this level (and others)

Pretty sure our 9 alone isn't good against both and it is still possible that if we hit two pair or open trips, we're still behind.

I don't think you are priced in at all and a fold seems in order to me.

Cry Me A River · #3 01-25-2007, 01:15 PM

I'd generally much rather push with big draws than call a push. Fold equity is your friend.

I think you have to consider button's range here - He didn't reraise preflop so while sometimes they'll play a big pair like this, usually the best overpair you're going to see here is TT, maybe JJ. I think you're seeing another FD here a lot or a set. You're basically coin flipping against a NFD, you're ahead of 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] but getting smoked by any set.

I'd need a pretty good idea villain does this with hands other than a set in order to call.

2Paul2 · #4 01-25-2007, 07:40 PM

I don't like pre unless you know co/btn are both pretty tight.

I don't think you can make a huge mistake calling the flop. Your getting vry close to 2-1 against utg shorty who could have a whole bunch of anything and a btn who likely has an overpair or another draw. I think I'm happy getting it in v both their fairly wide ranges w/ 2 to come and that price.

Paul