Good isolation? Or super donkey play?

SeanyBullets · #1 01-22-2007, 11:50 PM

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t100/t200
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1880
UTG+1: t3590
MP1: t2225
MP2: t2380
CO: t840
Button: t12440
SB: t6565
Hero: t4325

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 raises to t600, MP2 calls t600 (pot was t900), 2 folds, SB calls t500 (pot was t1500), Hero raises all-in t4325, MP1 folds, MP2 calls all-in t1780, SB folds.
Uncalled bets: t1945 returned to Hero.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t2400, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t5960)

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t2400, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t5960)

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t2400, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t5960)

Results:
Final pot: t2400
MP2 showed Ts Td
Hero showed 9s 9h

Bond18 · #2 01-23-2007, 01:30 AM

Yea your shove here is fine. You ran into a bigger hand, whattya gonna do?

hagbard celine · #3 01-23-2007, 01:44 AM

I wonder if you could achieve isolation without pushing.

I think I like a raise between 1,200 and 1,500. You still tell MP1 and MP2 that if they want to play they have to play for all their chips, and you save yourself chips in case the SB has a hand to call you all in. You can fold and still have between 2,825 and 3,125 in chips.

With a raise and two callers, your 99 doesn't look so good. I also like just calling here, hope to hit a set. I don't really like to get into big preflop pots with hands like 66-TT.

blankoblanco · #4 01-23-2007, 01:45 AM

I think the play is fine. MP2 is a goof for just calling off 1/4 of his stack with TT pre-flop

Bond18 · #5 01-23-2007, 02:00 AM

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I wonder if you could achieve isolation without pushing.

I think I like a raise between 1,200 and 1,500. You still tell MP1 and MP2 that if they want to play they have to play for all their chips, and you save yourself chips in case the SB has a hand to call you all in. You can fold and still have between 2,825 and 3,125 in chips.

With a raise and two callers, your 99 doesn't look so good. I also like just calling here, hope to hit a set. I don't really like to get into big preflop pots with hands like 66-TT.

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Politely, this is very very off. If you were to go to 1500 if one of those MP players shoves you are very much priced in to call. If your playing its very clearly a shove.

hagbard celine · #6 01-23-2007, 02:58 AM

I agree totally.

I don't fold to either of the MP players. The no-shove is to protect from the SB, who has our Hero covered.

If the SB is going to fold to a shove, he'll probably fold to a pot-sized reraise. If he's calling you all in, then he's going to call or come over the top of your raise. If the latter is the case, then he probably has you beat, in which case you can dump the hand, save chips, and let the big stack take on one or both of the shorter stacks.

Do you really want to put all your chips in the middle with 99, after one player has raised and two have called?

Bond18 · #7 01-23-2007, 03:05 AM

"Do you really want to put all your chips in the middle with 99, after one player has raised and two have called?"

Yes you really really do. The only person in the hand whos cards your worried about are the first raiser, and your ahead of his range. The extra callers in there is just added money that will often fold out to your push so let me be clear here

THIS IS A VERY OBVIOUS SHOVE ALL IN.

Cornell Fiji · #8 01-23-2007, 03:21 AM

I could not imagine doing anything other than shoving here.

Not shoving this hand is absolutely horrible

omaha · #9 01-23-2007, 04:24 AM

Shove it all day and night i think, unless original raiser was a nit, and then i would still prolly do it.

I think any other raise is really not worth it. If we 'steal' this pot, we will increase our chips by a third. Our stack is just enough to put pressure on all players.

If we get called by ak, great, we are a coin flip, and there is a whole heap of dead money. If we get called by a higher pair, oh well