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Old 01-22-2007, 12:55 PM
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Default $60 live - I made a play - whaddya think?

Started with 9 players, T5000 stacks, and blinds of 25/50.
Now down to 6 players, blinds at 100/200 w/ 25 ante.
Pays top 2: 70/30

Hero and villain both have about T7500, but villain has hero covered by 100 or so.
I don't have much of a read, but I have been playing pretty tight and showing down premium cards up to this point.

Hero is in BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Preflop(450): folded to CO who raises to 400. SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop (1350) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB checks
Hero bets 1000 (I think there's a reasonable chance I'm best here.)
CO raises to 2000 (Hmm.)
SB Folds

At this point I go to call, then I think a bit about pushing, but finally decide to wait for the turn and just call.

Turn (5350) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero is all in for about 5000

If you were villain - what would you call with here?

I've been thinking about the hand, because that kind of move is a little out of character for me, and I'm wondering if it was brave or stupid.
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Old 01-22-2007, 01:01 PM
Pudge714 Pudge714 is offline
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Default Re: $60 live - I made a play - whaddya think?

It's stupid.
First you aren't representing anything. Any hand that trap called on the flop is checking the turn. Secondly that 4 will almost never improve your hand.
Thirdly villian almost never folds a better hand.

I would also check this flop and as played fold to the minraise.
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Old 01-22-2007, 01:12 PM
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Default Re: $60 live - I made a play - whaddya think?

My reasoning here was:
I might be best now, but not if a heart or big card comes.
He's still got 2/3rds of his stack, and I don't see him being committed to the pot.
I've got a few outs if I'm not best.

You're right about not representing anything. I thought maybe putting pressure on him might be enough, though.
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Old 01-22-2007, 03:39 PM
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Default Re: $60 live - I made a play - whaddya think?

Fold preflop. Fancy Play Syndrome has brought down many otherwise fine poker players.
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Old 01-22-2007, 06:53 PM
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Default Re: $60 live - I made a play - whaddya think?

Thanks for the feedback. He had QQ, went into the tank for about 4 minutes, almost mucked his cards (tossing motion, but didn't release. Maybe trying to get me to show mine prematurely?) and finally made the call.
River was no help.

I don't agree with folding preflop - pot is 1250 and it's 200 to me to close the action.

Check/fold the flop sounds about right.
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Old 01-22-2007, 07:26 PM
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Default Re: $60 live - I made a play - whaddya think?

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Hero is in BB with A 6

Preflop(450): folded to CO who raises to 400. SB calls, Hero calls.

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Mistake 1. Should have folded. WTF sort of flop are you hoping for? A = likely dying to a better kicker; 6 = shithouse for the ensuing reasons.

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Flop (1350) 2 6 T

SB checks
Hero bets 1000 (I think there's a reasonable chance I'm best here.)

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Mistake 2. Should have checked. why put chips into a three-way pot without even top pair, and with no viable draw?

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CO raises to 2000 (Hmm.)
SB Folds

At this point I go to call, then I think a bit about pushing, but finally decide to wait for the turn and just call.

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Mistake 3.Should have folded. Exactly what do you think the opponent has at this stage? AK? AQ? AJ? Sure, but even then every overcard becomes an immediate scare card, and a villain raising with less than a pair of sixes is going to lose their money so fast it isn't an issue.

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Turn (5350) 4
Hero is all in for about 5000

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Mistake 4. Should have checked, and folded to a bet. No opponent with a pulse is going to think that the 4 helped you.

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If you were villain - what would you call with here?

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If I were villain, I would call with AT+

You took 4 actions in that hand, and made 4 mistakes. At literally every possible opportunity you were making a bad mistake. I don't think you could have played this hand any worse.


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I've been thinking about the hand, because that kind of move is a little out of character for me, and I'm wondering if it was brave or stupid.

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I vote for the latter (before I re-read my post and added a whole lot more reasoning for my comments, it was a whole lot more nasty about your poor play here)
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Old 01-22-2007, 07:31 PM
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Default Re: $60 live - I made a play - whaddya think?

It's 200 to you in a 1250 pot, but if you're c/fing the flop, then you're only playing if you hit 2 pair or better (are you willing to get involved on an A board with your kicker against a PF raiser and caller?).

Fold PF
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Old 01-22-2007, 07:33 PM
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Default Re: $60 live - I made a play - whaddya think?

terrible played hand, if you think ur good to his min raise push the flop and dont let a card peal off that could easily break you. The 4 didnt help you so its a moron push, you just let him see a free card for no reason.
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Old 01-22-2007, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: $60 live - I made a play - whaddya think?

flop push or flop fold, please dont donk too much like this, makes you look like a weak player [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 01-22-2007, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: $60 live - I made a play - whaddya think?

and i'm sure ur not!!
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