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Old 01-18-2007, 04:49 AM
JROK777 JROK777 is offline
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Default 3 betting KQo OOP no good?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $50
UTG+1: $62.55
CO: $107.50
Button: $50
Hero: $50.25
BB: $16.95

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $1.75</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $5.75</font>, BB folds, CO calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($12, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $8.5</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($29, 3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $21.5</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $21.5 returned to CO.

River: : ($29, 2 players)


Results:
Final pot: $29

Villian was raising a lot. Should I be 3 betting here with KQ vs. this kind of player? As played, what line would you take?
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Old 01-18-2007, 04:53 AM
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Default Re: 3 betting KQo OOP no good?

KQo is a pretty lame hand to 3-bet with. i prefer just calling or folding most times. i think you played it well postflop. in position, i dont mind calling with this hand to a raise.
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Old 01-18-2007, 04:56 AM
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Default Re: 3 betting KQo OOP no good?

Standard.
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Old 01-18-2007, 04:59 AM
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Default Re: 3 betting KQo OOP no good?

He's raising a lot from position or just in general? And how is his play post-flop?

I don't know. It's hard for me to recommend a good play without much more information. I guess I could understand the QK raise preflop, but given my position I'd probably call.

I would probably have bet the flop for more, to make drawing unprofitable and take the pot down, to invite raises rather than soft-playing from stronger hands, and to make me seem more "committed" to the pot thus making bluffs from aggressive players using position, less attractive. I tend to bet harder out of position with hands I don't want to go to the showdown with but I can't see myself getting away from easily.
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:43 AM
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Default Re: 3 betting KQo OOP no good?

Why not b/f turn? Could easily be a float by villain?
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:58 AM
A0566 A0566 is offline
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Default Re: 3 betting KQo OOP no good?

True. If I were OP I would probably have also bet that turn.

The problem with that turn card is... that smaller bet sizes invite a raise while larger bet sizes give value to several possibly superior hands.
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:59 AM
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Default Re: 3 betting KQo OOP no good?

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Why not b/f turn? Could easily be a float by villain?

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I agree. I see this alot with aggro villains. You check the turn and they fire a big bet.

Bet the turn and fold to a raise
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:00 AM
keikiwai keikiwai is offline
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Default Re: 3 betting KQo OOP no good?

the title says it all

no good

KQo is a really typically bad oop hand
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:15 AM
Waingro Waingro is offline
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Default Re: 3 betting KQo OOP no good?

Well I suppose if villain is awful he will call you with stuff like KTo, in which case I like it. If he isnīt awful he will fold stuff like KTo in which case you canīt really 3bet KQo for value.
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:51 AM
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Default Re: 3 betting KQo OOP no good?

Dude. Cmon now. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

You are OOP and have the ultimate trap hand.

Pick up your fork and dig into some foldarooni.
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