consequences/results/speculation of neteller arrest

[nation]

all should go here. what are some likely scenarios? should we worry in the short term? i thought we had 9 months from the day it was passed.

[meleader2]

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all should go here. what are some likely scenarios? should we worry in the short term? i thought we had 9 months from the day it was passed.

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its a goddam cycle, everything will settle and whether or not neteller goes BUSTO for us is just a matter of time. and besides, when there's a will there's a way. this thread is pointless.

[addictontilt]

IMHO - Neteller will leave the US market shortly, another one will take its place, US gov't will continue to prosecute, they are going after the sportsbetting because its the low hanging fruit, and they have won with those before.

what do we do? We started it by changing control of the house and senate, we have to continue to influence them. The power lays with the people that make the rules, to change the rules, it will take money, time, and effort.

just my 2 cents.

[Richas]

I think this will be significant for anyone who was a director of any poker, gambling or even poker related operation. No trips to the US again ever - even if you have resigned. A number of non executive directors (including those that quit post UIGEA) who are also directors of US companies will be very very concerned. The City of London lobby will be very upset about this along with some high profile people and seemingly unrelated companies like 3i whose directors and so their US operations are affected.

Hotel rooms will be easier to get at the WSOP this year. Just as Deauville in France was cancelled it is possible that WPT events may be affected. After all it's clear the WPT have taken US based Internet money/entrants.

This is very bad news for Poker in the US (and so the world). Whose next? How can anyone reenter the US market later if it is ever "legal" when the charges from last year could still apply?

[kylma]

I'm getting disturbed when I look at the big picture. The very big. Since Neteller is (obviously) a legal company in UK etc, I don't see how USA can arrest people when they were not in fact IN the US, AT THE MOMENT of this crime (WHILE violating the laws of the US).

It sounds like the US govt thinks they have the authority to prosecute ANYONE, because of whatever they happened to do in the Net., and where-ever they were at the moment of the "crime". Just another step towards their world hegemony, totally ignoring the WTO ruling and the FACT that gambling is just fine everywhere else.

I wonder what would happen if Syria arrested an average American-Joe, who was looking at pictures of naked women in the Net, at his home in his midwest ranch.. But he should have never left to Syria as a tourist to see the beautiful country, since surfing for nakkid ladies is illegal in Syria, after all.

[2461Badugi]

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It sounds like the US govt thinks they have the authority to prosecute ANYONE, because of whatever they happened to do in the Net., and where-ever they were at the moment of the "crime".

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This is, in fact, current DOJ doctrine -- any internet transaction that passes through US servers is subject to US law. It's obvious that at some point that will need to be restrained; hopefully it comes soon.

[gonebroke2]

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I wonder what would happen if Syria arrested an average American-Joe, who was looking at pictures of naked women in the Net, at his home in his midwest ranch.. But he should have never left to Syria as a tourist to see the beautiful country, since surfing for nakkid ladies is illegal in Syria, after all.

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You are trying to use logic on an illogical govt. These monkeys have finally figured out how to stop online gambling and that is not by targetting the sites themselves, but by cutting off the money supply. No credit cards, no ewallets and soon no ACH/echecks. Maybe they should make a deal that if we serve 6 months in Iraq, we get to play 6 months of online poker.

[microbet]

kylma,

A better analogy is if Syria arrested an american porn producer who had provided content to Syrians. This might even be worse and be like Syria arresting an officer of Federal Express because that company shipped some porn to Syria.

[kylma]

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kylma,

A better analogy is if Syria arrested an american porn producer who had provided content to Syrians. This might even be worse and be like Syria arresting an officer of Federal Express because that company shipped some porn to Syria.

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True, but I claim that 100% of the American porn site owners ARE in fact offering their content to Syrians, also. They just claim no responsibility, because it is n their opinion the responsibility of the user to check out if he is allowed to view the ladies, according to the law of the country in which the viewer resides in..

So the question is, should people who start internet businesses be aware of what is illegal and what is not, in EVERY COUNTRY in the world, and if there is one country in which it is illegal, they shouldn't offer their services?

Well, USA is a huge power, but as far as LAW is concerned, it should treat it no different.. Couldn't a NY porn producer get arrested in Syria, just because his content was also available there? Or should he explicitly ban visitors from certain countries, thus making clear that he is not breaking a single law in the whole wide world?

[kcheel]

Rumor in the Zoo is that Neteller will cease transfers later today. Poster usually has some good info, FWIW.