Stupid Donks

Scotty. · #1 01-17-2007, 02:12 AM

I don't know anything about villain

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (7 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets

What's our plan here?

Buckmulligan · #2 01-17-2007, 02:19 AM

well, I think this is a pretty poor bet by villain and I don't think it's usually a Queen either. However, from some history with these type of bets, I still like a call here on the turn because I think this guy fires a lot again on the river.

I don't think raising the river is that bad either.

I raise the turn here sometimes too. I think it's right to get a raise in somewhere though.

elffaw · #3 01-17-2007, 02:24 AM

call, call. ez.

Buckmulligan · #4 01-17-2007, 02:28 AM

elf-

its not easy at all really because we have the best hand plenty often enough to get more bets in here. A queen checkraises far more often.

Kwaz · #5 01-17-2007, 02:39 AM

Against an unknown, easy call down.

With a read, I will more often than not raise/fold the river.

PokerSparky · #6 01-17-2007, 02:53 AM

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call, call. ez.

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Buckmulligan · #7 01-17-2007, 03:24 AM

kwaz-

can we not assume that an unknown checkraises a queen here more often than not? That's more how I'd play an unknonwn.

Nick C · #8 01-17-2007, 03:54 AM

Probably he's trying to rep the queen but doesn't actually have one.

I generally just call twice since I dislike raise-folding (especially against an unknown) and I don't want to pay 3 BBs on the big streets to show down.

I'm not sure what's actually best, though.

akvsaq · #9 01-17-2007, 12:51 PM

If you are going to raise, I like a raise on the river.
There's a decent chance that he is bluffing and if he is, let him bluff twice. Also, if this is an unknown, there is a chance you might get outplayed on the turn. Some people are capable of say donk 3B'ing the turn w/ say JT. Very few are going to 3B the river if they're not serious. For me, if he is a complete unknown, I'm just calling down. If I have a line on his play, I will raise the river.

mvoss · #10 01-17-2007, 01:17 PM

I call down. I see quite a few donks when the turn pairs the board in the 2/4 games I play in. If you're behind you lose the minimum and if you're ahead let him keep bluffing.