flopped three pair

[PartysOver]

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $2 BB (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($267.90)
Button ($143.65)
SB ($48.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Button calls $2, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($6) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5.7</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $22.8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $74.1</font>, SB calls $23.75 (All-In).

I'm splashing around PLO8 games... I wasn't scared of a set, I put him on draw.. ok? should i still worry about sets?

[Buzz]

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should i still worry about sets?

[/ QUOTE ]PartysOver - It's roughly fifty to one that your one opponent does not have a set. If he does have a set, it's a toss up whether its a set of deuces or something else.

Buzz

[adenosine]

I'd worry about both sets and draws.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2312976
pokenum -o8 kd 2c qh 5h - ac 3c jd 4d -- qd kc 5c
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing Kc 5c Qd
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
2c Kd Qh 5h 340 438 382 0 0 0 0 0.474
Ac 3c Jd 4d 382 382 438 0 219 0 0 0.526

Holding a T it gets even worse for you

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2312981
pokenum -o8 kd 2c qh 5h - ac 3c jd td -- qd kc 5c
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing Kc 5c Qd
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
2c Kd Qh 5h 280 352 468 0 0 0 0 0.385
Ac 3c Jd Td 468 468 352 0 144 0 0 0.615

[PartysOver]

So would you find a fold here?

[franknagaijr]

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So would you find a fold here?

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Three pair with no other redraws is pretty weak, unless the preflop action suggests you're playing against AAxx or A2xx.

The worst part here is that there are only six cards that are not scare cards for you here. Anything above an 8 puts the possibility of a straight, any babies make the backdoor low possible, and any clubs have gotta make you nervous. Any ace could mean a higher two pair....

I think I could find a fold here.

[Dire]

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should i still worry about sets?

[/ QUOTE ]PartysOver - It's roughly fifty to one that your one opponent does not have a set. If he does have a set, it's a toss up whether its a set of deuces or something else.

Buzz

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Comments like this are misleading. The 50 times villain doesn't have a set, or any other serious hand, he folds and the hand's over. So while it's true he's a 50:1 longshot to hold a set by complete chance - once he reraises pot on the flop: the chance of him holding a set just skyrocketed.

[bbartlog]

Yeah, the probability is conditional. And even if the odds of a set are still low, there are plenty of other hands you don't want to be up against either.
I tend to take check-raises pretty seriously in PLO8, so I would probably fold here. But even if you wanted to continue with the hand, it might make more sense to just call. If opponent has a set and a club falls, he may not bet and you save yourself some money; if a club falls and he bets you can be fairly sure he was betting some sort of combo draw and fold. Not that playing the hand is necessarily going to get easier on later streets, but I think shoveling in more money on the flop when you're 90+% likely to be behind is a mistake. It's not even like you have some middle-strength draw where getting it all in on the flop so that you can see both cards makes sense.