NL 200-- TT vs AJMargarine from BB

J-Lo · #1 01-13-2007, 12:29 AM

Just started at NL 200, prolly shoulda changed tables-- but there was a 50/2 on the table... History, i'm runnin 19/15, he's runnin 15/13... I stacked him once when i reraised from BB w/ 99 and flop came 9 high and he pushed JJ vs my c-bet...

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saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($197)
SB ($232.50)
Hero ($438.75)
UTG ($316.05)
MP ($200)
CO ($200)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $8, 2 folds, SB calls $7, Hero raises to $32, MP calls $24, SB calls $24.

Flop: ($96) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $59.95, MP calls $59.95, SB folds.

Turn: ($215.90) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($215.90) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

Final Pot: $215.90

my main question is, if i'm bettin the flop, should i push the turn? He only has to fold ~30% of the time to b break even....

Secondly, should i bet this flop, i'm behind almost EVERY pair (AA/KK/QQ/JJ/99/88)...

Lastly, with what range should he be 4 betting with?

Jay Riall · #2 01-13-2007, 12:35 AM

I really hate betting this flop.

Kermit · #3 01-13-2007, 12:37 AM

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yeah i don't imagine you are getting much value from anyting you beat and yo don't have much of a hand to protect.

when the 15/13 cold calls, i think you are in deep trouble.

jk3a · #4 01-13-2007, 12:41 AM

calling pf is good
as played, leading or c/c the flop are both ok
once he calls, I would c/f most turns, but definitely consider shoving this one.

jk3a · #5 01-13-2007, 12:50 AM

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I don't particularly like it either, but it has merit. There is alot of value in taking down this pot right now if a player is uncomfortable playing OOP in a reraised pot.

Betting this flop may turn our hand into a bluff, but people rarely mention that we lost most of the showdown value this hand has by reraising in the first place. Betting the flop is by no means horrible, and most players don't possess the postflop skills or have the necessary reads to eek out the extra EV that involves checking the flop here.

Let me restate that I think we should be calling pf a decent percentage of the time here.

Jay Riall · #6 01-13-2007, 12:52 AM

Yah calling preflop looks much better here. AJ runs at 15/13? LOlz.

Kermit · #7 01-13-2007, 12:55 AM

i think calling here preflop makes the hand so much more easy to play, if anything else.

the blind is more thank likely set mining this flop. and the donk is likely to give us an inflated pot that is going to be tough to play oop on a lot of flops.

once you raise preflop and get two callers, i am having a lot of trouble putting more money in this pot. what range are we putting these two on?

I have been looking at this hand and can't think of a postflop plan I am comfortable with--which is why i just call prelfop.

Kermit · #8 01-13-2007, 12:56 AM

sheesh i type slow, i guess.
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Isura · #9 01-13-2007, 12:56 AM

Yeah, I like calling PF here unless the SB is megafish and then I squeeze/raise for value hoping AJ goes out and I can play HU with fishy. Flop bet is marginal, and I usually check here.

ajmargarine · #10 01-15-2007, 01:24 PM

Push turn, rep the AK. It would be a tought call for me without 88/99, and AA obv.