How much to put in with good hands?

[sauroneru]

I've had a horrible run of luck that has made me reevaluate "good" hands. I've lost about 50 buy-ins with similar hands, and wanted to know how many BB you guys are willing to lose with these hands against an average opponent or one with no read. Assume the opponent really likes their hand (reraise on flop or turn, etc.), and clearly wants to shove chips in the middle. How many big blinds do you put in before you fold? 100 BB? 300 BB? Assume your image is average, and 2-3 people saw the flop. In other words, what's standard play here at a 6-9 person high limit table with decent play? My answers are in before/after bad luck spurt format.

1. You have T8s and flop a flush. (150/70)
2. You have bottom set on a board like K93 rainbow. (150/70)
3. You have middle set on a board like 678 with 2 spades. (150/70)
4. You have 87 and the flop is 9TJ rainbow. (100/50)
5. You have JT and the flop is JT4 with 2 spades. (100/70)

[MDMA]

You got the wrong forum here; "Special Sklansky Forum" should be what you are looking for.

[Morrek]

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You got the wrong forum here; "Special Sklansky Forum" should be what you are looking for.

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[catcher193]

number 4 is sick, if your image is even close to standard at a normal table.

[snappo]

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4. You have 87 and the flop is 9TJ rainbow. (100/50)

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pretty sure this one's closer to 53 or so, might want to recheck your figures...

[daisyglaze]

I really like your new strategy of putting in up to 70 bb but saving the last 30 when u just know they have a better flush or whatever. A whole stack is just a little too much. I'm going to go with a 71 bb rule in case someone minbets the river.

[sauroneru]

Clearly I'm not looking for hard and fast numbers that you absolutely always stick to. But let's say you CR someone a good amount (~30 BB, enough to get away from) with these hands and they come back over the top. Or they call, blank comes out on the turn, and they massively bet into you again and you haven't improved. Go broke with all? Lay down most? In the past 6 months, I've been in very similar spots about 50 times and wasn't up against something bigger three times, when the opponent was anxious to put some chips in the pot. I'm sure that's some crappy luck, but I'm wondering if it's more correct to try and get away from these hands or practice serious pot control when you sense strength and you have these types of hands.

[Chaoslord]

i fold none of this hands, assuming 100bb stacks
if deeper it depends on the opponent, if hes really nitty i might get away from some.

[creedofhubris]

Sauron: you need to think of it in terms of pots, not BBs. The size of the preflop pot, and whether or not a raise has gone in preflop, is important here, both because a preflop raise may mark the opponet as having a premium pair (which you crush), and because he might pot-commit himself in a big pot with a flop bet or raise with a hand that he might fold in an unraised pot.

Obviously if 10 BBs go in preflop you're going to like most of these hands a lot, probably at least 200 BBs of a lot.

[edge]

In a raised pot, I go broke with all of those hands assuming 150 bb stacks or less. Some of them I'd go broke with deeper stacks too, depending on players and image and other things.