Can i fold KK here preflop?

1gotth3nuts · #1 01-12-2007, 09:10 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($71.65)
Button ($98.35)
SB ($52.20)
Hero ($51.85)
UTG ($13.35)
MP ($101.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $2, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9, MP raises to $101.9, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls $42.85 (All-In).

Flop: ($158) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($158) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($158) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $158

As yo ucan see I called, but
I've run KK into AA 6 times in the last few days, soI'm wondering if I should start folding it here.

This guy who pushed I hadn't play with much (because I'm just starting my session) but i'm 6tabling and he's at 3 of my tables, so i'm sure he's solid.

So am I just destined to go broke here? or can i fold.

Epple · #2 01-12-2007, 09:14 AM

You don't have much left in this example so the call is good.

homeslice · #3 01-12-2007, 09:15 AM

my initial raise would have been $14. Other than that it's standard...

Genz · #4 01-12-2007, 09:16 AM

This is from the SSNL FAQ:

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Q: Okay, so I raise 4xBB preflop with Kings and the player to my immediate left raises. Then another player goes all in. Do I fold?

A: Depends on the opponents. Folding Kings preflop in fear of Aces isn't a liked topic in the forum. Here are some threads that deal with the subject of Kings Vs. potential Aces.

Click here , here, and here.

Sometimes laying Kings down preflop is correct. Most of the time it is not. There is roughly a 3.4% chance, at a full table, that your Kings are up against Aces. Make a decision and go with your instinct.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nick C · #5 01-12-2007, 09:45 AM

You're getting, what, 7:4 or so? For the sake of argument, let's give Villain a range of AA-QQ and AK. That's 6 combos (AA) that have you crushed about 4:1, 6 combos you're beating about 4:1, 1 combo you're tied with, and 8 combos you're beating about 7:3 (is that right?; I think it's close). So I guess in that scenario you're actually a favorite and would be an idiot to fold, but I doubt the situation is quite that rosy.

Still, I think you'd probably need deeper stacks or a more solid read on Villain to think seriously about folding here.

KurtSF · #6 01-12-2007, 10:45 AM

Didn't read the HH, but I'm sure the answer is no.

lacrymosa · #7 01-12-2007, 10:51 AM

I dont' think I could lay down kings preflop for 100BB

AKQJ10 · #8 01-12-2007, 11:40 AM

I think it's less clear-cut than conventional wisdom has it. But against NL50 unknowns I call unless I have reason to think they're both competent and unimaginative.

Incidentally, if you know anyone who regularly folds KK here, and if their reraising range is down to about TT+, AK+, then occasionally pushing 22-QQ against them here would be good.

erbbysam · #9 01-12-2007, 11:42 AM

"I've run KK into AA 6 times in the last few days, soI'm wondering if I should start folding it here."
nope, never.

Minnesota · #10 01-12-2007, 11:59 AM

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"I've run KK into AA 6 times in the last few days, soI'm wondering if I should start folding it here."
nope, never.

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Also not many people will fold their KK to your AA preflop either so all this will work out in the long run.