How horrible is that?

[unterfish]

First hand on the table. BTW: I posted a SB here which the converter didnt include.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (12SB, 6 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO 3-bets</font>, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (10.5BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero folds...

[BigBadBabar]

flop raise i don't like at all; not sure bluffing works at this limit all that much. preflop raise i don't love a bunch either but i don't have a large amount of hatred for it either. i'd fold the flop without a second thought.

[fabadam]

With 6 players in the hand, the odds of one having an ace are large. I fold this flop in a heartbeat.

[bravos1]

preflop raise is meh..1 limper in front and you are in MP3/HJ. I could argue both ways so whatever..

Flop raise is 100% SPEW! There is no way you are ahead here, and it is doubtful that SB is going to fold any ace.

Well the turn is an obvious fold. If your Q outs on the flop were live, they are now dead and you basically have only 2 outs.

FWIW, I personally only post in the CO or I wait, but with 10 players, posting from MP3/HJ is not horrible.

[FatedEquity]

On the flop, Hero has middle pair with 5 outs plus a Backdoor flush/straight to beat an ace, and the pot is large laying 13-1. Why do you guys advocate folding?

[unterfish]

If its of any interest. Folding this flop is bad IMO.
Either call or raise I says. Calling is easy. But how bad is
raising?

[BigBadBabar]

worse, and calling is bad also [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[unterfish]

Yes. It is!
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Folding is the only option. On the flop, I mean.

[fabadam]

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If its of any interest. Folding this flop is bad IMO.
Either call or raise I says. Calling is easy. But how bad is
raising?

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Calling and raising are both awful. You're basically drawing to 5 outs at best, in reality probably more like 3.

[mvoss]

If calling the flop is bad getting 13-1 it's only because of the possibility of a raise behind us.