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Old 01-04-2007, 03:32 PM
Poker Gestalt Poker Gestalt is offline
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Default A3s with a 4 flush on the flop

I was lost on this entire hand form preflop to river.

No reads on button
UTG is 14/6/1 after 63 hands
BB is 69/0/.6 24 hands


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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17.25 BB
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:39 PM
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Default Re: A3s with a 4 flush on the flop

I would just check/call the flop, otherwise, sure.
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:41 PM
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Default Re: A3s with a 4 flush on the flop

Check/raise the river
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: A3s with a 4 flush on the flop

I think the flop is just a c/c. You raise isn't for value so really it is a semi-bluff. I probably c/r this river as I expect the opponent to bet and call here very often given that he may not put you on a FD from your flop play.
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: A3s with a 4 flush on the flop

Is there any argument for betting into the PFRer?
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:51 PM
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Default Re: A3s with a 4 flush on the flop

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I think the flop is just a c/c. You raise isn't for value so really it is a semi-bluff. I probably c/r this river as I expect the opponent to bet and call here very often given that he may not put you on a FD from your flop play.

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Thats a very good point. Thx. I also have a question about suited aces in EP.. Do I limp with these first in? Do i need 1 other limper first?
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:52 PM
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Is there any argument for betting into the PFRer?

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No because his (likely) raise will make others face two cold, possibly driving out others and cutting your pot equity edge.
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:53 PM
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Default Re: A3s with a 4 flush on the flop

Preflop I'd fold. Guy in front of you is 14/6 in EP. You're dominated a ton.

Flop c/r is fine semibluff if you're firing on turn versus unknown at these stakes.

Turn c/c is perfect as played.

River b/3b is fine. Without a read, I'd deem it the better line, versus many opponents c/r is better.
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:56 PM
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Default Re: A3s with a 4 flush on the flop

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Preflop I'd fold. Guy in front of you is 14/6 in EP. You're dominated a ton.

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So i take it quite a bit of value from playing this hand comes from the Ace?
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:57 PM
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Preflop I'd fold. Guy in front of you is 14/6 in EP. You're dominated a ton.

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So i take it quite a bit of value from playing this hand comes from the Ace?

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After one limper and with only two players behind you that can enter the pot, yes.
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