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Old 01-02-2007, 10:10 PM
Kid Dakota Kid Dakota is offline
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Default % of A or K appearing on flop

Hey, new to the forum. I was wondering if someone could tell me what the % of time an ace or king appearing on the flop is. Thanks
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Old 01-02-2007, 10:42 PM
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Default Re: % of A or K appearing on flop

If you hold AK before the flop, then there is a 33% chance of pairing either your A or K on the Flop.
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Old 01-02-2007, 11:01 PM
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Default Re: % of A or K appearing on flop

probably not where you were going, but i always found these numbers interesting:

AA - 0%
KK - 22.6%
QQ - 41.4%
JJ - 57.0%
TT - 69.5%
99 - 79.3%
88 - 86.7%
77 - 92.1%
66 - 96.0%
55 - 98.1%


...the chance your paired hand will face overs on the flop.
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Old 01-02-2007, 11:14 PM
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Default Re: % of A or K appearing on flop

Thanks guys, that's exactly what I wanted.
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Old 01-03-2007, 02:55 AM
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Default Re: % of A or K appearing on flop

For this kind of info, "Weighing the odds" by King Yao is a good book.

Ian
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Old 01-04-2007, 01:41 PM
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Default Re: % of A or K appearing on flop

[ QUOTE ]
probably not where you were going, but i always found these numbers interesting:

AA - 0%
KK - 22.6%
QQ - 41.4%
JJ - 57.0%
TT - 69.5%
99 - 79.3%
88 - 86.7%
77 - 92.1%
66 - 96.0%
55 - 98.1%


...the chance your paired hand will face overs on the flop.

[/ QUOTE ]
Does this include the penalty of some villain having at least 1 overcard to your pair or are those "only my two cards" percentages?
For TT- this may not make a big difference, but for QQ or higher it very well might change the numbers a bit.
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Old 01-04-2007, 02:05 PM
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Default Re: % of A or K appearing on flop

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If you hold AK before the flop, then there is a 33% chance of pairing either your A or K on the Flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

ty
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Old 01-04-2007, 02:08 PM
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Default Re: % of A or K appearing on flop

>>there is a 33% chance of pairing either your A or K on the Flop.

Thanks
I thought AK was a 33% chance by the River.
Is the same for any two cards?

Would someone mind showing me the math.

Thanks again
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Old 01-04-2007, 02:55 PM
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Default Re: % of A or K appearing on flop

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I thought AK was a 33% chance by the River.

[/ QUOTE ]No, it is roughly 50% to pair by the river. Which is why AK vs a lower pair is thought of as a "coinflip" (however, the underpair is at a slight advantage because the pair can make trips even when the AK pairs up).

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Is the same for any two cards?

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, any non-pair starting hand has a 33% chance of pairing on the flop. The advantage to AK is that when you do you'll have top pair, top kicker.
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: % of A or K appearing on flop

Math to determine AK pairing on the flop:

First determine chance that AK MISSES the flop:

For the first card there are 44 cards that will not pair in the deck, so you have a 44/50 chance of not pairing.

For the second card you have a 43/49 chance of not pairing

for the thrid card you have a 42/48 chance of not pairing

so odds of not pairing are 44/50 * 43/49 * 42/48 or 79464/117600 = 67.6%

If we will NOT pair 67.6% of the time, then we WILL make AT LEAST a pair 32.4% of the time.
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