comments on how I played these razz hands

[greyhawke54]

This hand is a clear fold at this point right? The reason I ask is that I seem to be doing this alot. I think some of the opponents pick up on it and call my raises with some pretty weak hands. Knowing that when I catch bad I will be folding. This situation often comes up in multiway pots where both opps catch good and I catch lousy. In such cases I see them showdown against each other and many times they will have both started with 2 card hands such as 2 wheel cards, and sometimes not even that good. Am I being too weak here?

Razz ($0.50/$1.00), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.25 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 3: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls

4th Street - (4.30 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (3.15 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets

Total pot: (3.15 BB)



Table is pretty passive I dont think that limping up front will do me any good here as far as to check raise on third. As far as the main villan goes I dont have a good read on him yet I have seen him start with monsters and total garbage, he will play both the same way

Razz ($0.50/$1.00), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.25 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (4.30 SB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (3.65 BB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

Should I raise here or is best to just call down?
6th Street - (6.65 BB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

River - (9.65 BB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets

Total pot: (11.65 BB)

[HOWMANY]

Fold 4th hand 1. Hand 2 I'd raise 6th 100% of the time.

[LandonM]

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Fold 4th hand 1. Hand 2 I'd raise 6th 100% of the time.

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Agree 100% on both accounts.

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Fold 4th hand 1.

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Hero could marginally call if the villain limped in rather than cold calling - telling us he probably doesn't have as good a hand as the hero, and the overlay of a cold caller would just barely give the hero the correct odds to play on.

But in this situation as played its a fold. Hero is trying to catch bluffs with his 4th street call, not wise.

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Hand 2 I'd raise 6th 100% of the time.

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We should also note that there is no raise on 5th street partially due to the overlay of the third opponent whom we want to keep in the hand. Hero is still likely a slim favorite on 5th street, but this is not the time to raise.

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[Alchemist]

I'm rather surprised to see 6th is such a clear raise. Is it primarily for value? Is it still a raise if we're HU with Seat 7?

[greyhawke54]

I find that I peal on 4th a lot of times in these situations as I see so many players calling raises with a lot of 2 card hands, and otherwise weak starters. Example the 10 in the door than limped with a 4 already in and 2 low cards yet to act. I often find early in a session that I fail to give player credit for a hand, as there are so many playing trash. As it turns out the villian in this hand was not a complete loon and used some degree of hand selection.

[*TT*]

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I'm rather surprised to see 6th is such a clear raise. Is it primarily for value? Is it still a raise if we're HU with Seat 7?

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it now becomes a much tougher choice... I'd lean slightly closer to calling.

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