Rebuy satelites theory

[valenzuela]

I should only rebuy when I bust. I shouldnt add-on.

[valenzuela]

My theory is based only on an ICM aproach to the game.
Each time someone with chips rebuys he increase the $EV of everybody else.
I would love to hear from the expert rebuy satelites players.

[Cornell Fiji]

If you are not going to do a double rebuy (rebuy+add on) then you might as well leave the tournament when you bust.

You should always add on at the start of the tournament and 99% of the time you should also do so at the end of the rebuy period.

Assume that most of the time you are going to be in the rebuy tournament for 5 or 7 buyins (a buyin+add on, another double rebuy when you bust, and an add on at the end of the period)

If your bankroll can not handle this then you do not belong in the tournament

[Popped Rod]

I always rebuy and almost always add-on. I like to take advantage of the loose play and try to double up with the maximum chips available to me.

And since add-on chips are typically discounted in relation to the buy in, there is value to add-on unless I'm already such a huge stack, it would be inconsequential.


ETA - The above is as related to NLHE. If you are playing some form of Limit poker, that I suppose the rebuy might not be necessary if you play well. But in that case I would always add-on for the discounted chips.

[valenzuela]

Ok obviously I have to add-on( u get 1,5x the inital stack)
My issue is with rebuying right away.

[Popped Rod]

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Ok obviously I have to add-on( u get 1,5x the inital stack)
My issue is with rebuying right away.

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If NO ONE else at your table did a rebuy, then I suppose that it would not be as effective to have those extra chips. But once players begins accumulating chips through play, it makes sense to have that rebuy to increase the potential value of your hands.

Eg - You have your original starting stack of t1500 and A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Villain has built up his stack to t2200 and has A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. You both get all-in and you hand holds up. You now have t3,000 plus the blinds. However, if you had done a rebuy, you would be at t5,200 + (Your original t1500 + rebuy t1500 + Villain's t2,200). This is a 40% increase in you chips stack, which is crucial to tournament poker.

Try to think of it in terms of Blackjack. Sometimes you double down to maximize the value of a particular hand.

[valenzuela]

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Ok obviously I have to add-on( u get 1,5x the inital stack)
My issue is with rebuying right away.

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If NO ONE else at your table did a rebuy, then I suppose that it would not be as effective to have those extra chips. But once players begins accumulating chips through play, it makes sense to have that rebuy to increase the potential value of your hands.

Eg - You have your original starting stack of t1500 and A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Villain has built up his stack to t2200 and has A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. You both get all-in and you hand holds up. You now have t3,000 plus the blinds. However, if you had done a rebuy, you would be at t5,200 + (Your original t1500 + rebuy t1500 + Villain's t2,200). This is a 40% increase in you chips stack, which is crucial to tournament poker.

Try to think of it in terms of Blackjack. Sometimes you double down to maximize the value of a particular hand.

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what if I have AK and he has AA?

[Popped Rod]

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what if I have AK and he has AA?

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Then your behind and need to suck out. But that's poker.

Maybe playing tournaments, or at least rebuy tourneys, aren't for you.

[valenzuela]

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what if I have AK and he has AA?

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Then your behind and need to suck out. But that's poker.

Maybe playing tournaments, or at least rebuy tourneys, aren't for you.

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My biggest cash ever was on a rebuy tournament....anyway
Im talking about SATELITES, u know those things in which like 23 ppl get the same prize.
In rebuy satelites like 6% of the field gets the prize so Im not that sure rebuying right away is the correct +$EV play.
This has nothing to do with not having enough br and evertyhin to do with EV.

[Popped Rod]

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My biggest cash ever was on a rebuy tournament....anyway
Im talking about SATELITES, u know those things in which like 23 ppl get the same prize.
In rebuy satelites like 6% of the field gets the prize so Im not that sure rebuying right away is the correct +$EV play.
This has nothing to do with not having enough br and evertyhin to do with EV.

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I understood that you were talking about satellites. However, I don't think there is any differentt principles regarding EV for rebuys, whether it is a satellite or cash tourney (with exception to the end game and "bubble" of course).

If post count is any indicator, you certainly have been around these boards long enough. What exactly is your theory regarding rebuys and how that factors into satellites? What buy-in are you playing? Are these turbo? These are factors that would make more of an impact on my rebuy decision than anything else.