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Old 01-01-2007, 05:15 PM
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Default $1, A8s from UTG 5handed. Help figuring $EV?

5 Handed. Blinds 75/150.

SB with 3750.
BB with 1150.
She UTG with 1925.
CO with 3805.
BTN with 4370.

She: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

What do I do with this preflop?

I tried to run it through SNGEGT under the Party 10 player structure but it doesn't have the 75/150 blind option (I play on UB). If I run it using 100/200 blinds it says that pushing is -0.2%, and if I run it using 200/400 blinds it says that pushing is +0.9%. I don't usually play hands like this, but I'm trying to figure out exactly what I should be doing here.... Also, I'm not sure how to figure out the $EV of just calling from UTG (or CO+1, whichever it is), since that is not an option in SNGEGT. Help?
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Old 01-01-2007, 05:22 PM
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Default Re: $1, A8s from UTG 5handed. Help figuring $EV?


sngwiz, and i'm fairly certain sngpt, support UB. you're firmly in 99-TT/AQ+ range here.
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Old 01-01-2007, 05:27 PM
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Default Re: $1, A8s from UTG 5handed. Help figuring $EV?

I'd pass on this hand.
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Old 01-01-2007, 05:38 PM
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Default Re: $1, A8s from UTG 5handed. Help figuring $EV?

Thank you.. I would like to get one of the above, pref sngpt but am wanting to wait untill my bankroll > the price of the program. lol... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
Also, here is another that I am not sure how to figure out the push EV if you have time. Apparently SNGPT won't let you push from BB... I'm not sure why.

3 Handed. Blinds 150/300.

SB with 6205.
She is BB with 4175.
BTN with 4620.

She: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Pre-flop:
1 folds. SB to 600. She goes all-in for 4175.

Would hands like this be ok to play ITM?
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Old 01-01-2007, 06:34 PM
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Default Re: $1, A8s from UTG 5handed. Help figuring $EV?

sngwiz does let you perform calcs in opened pots like this one. but it's pretty difficult to take away EV with any certainty, as it requires both an opening range & a shove-calling range.

as would make sense, our EV comes from a) hand strength, and in this case b) fold equity.

considering KTs may be a touch short against hands he calls with & the relative health of our stack, the FE portion of the question is huge. we have the chips to put the bulk of his stack at risk (a "+"), but we're also ITM - where calls are going to be looser (a "-")

and if FE is king, it also stands to reason that to provide a bigger 'gap' of hands he folds, he needs to be opening wider (certainy a possibility here).


example:
opening - 22+,K2+,Q5+,Q2s+,J8+,J7s+,T8s+,98s+ (48.4%)
calling shove - 33+,A4+,A2s+,KJ+,KTs+,QJs+ (21.4%)
= -0.10 reshove

save opening
calling shove - 33+,A7+,A3s+,KTs+ (16.5%)
= +.34 reshove

he has a more dominant calling range, but we also get the fold PF more often.

opening - 22+,Q2+,J5+,J2s+,T7+,T6s+,98+,96s+,87s+ (60%)
calling shove - 33+,A4+,A2s+,KQ+,KTs+ (20%)
= +.41 reshove

but..

opening - 22+,A2+,K3+,K2s+,Q9+,Q5s+,JT+,J8s+,T9s+ (40%)
calling shove with the same
= -.49

...not enough fold hands within the gap.

opening - 22+,A2+,K3+,K2s+,Q9+,Q5s+,JT+,J8s+,T9s+ (40%)
calling shove - 22+,A2+,K3+,K2s+,Q9+,Q5s+,JT+,J8s+,T9s+ (40%)
= -.48


...again, not so much the hand strenght, but the FE. even when he calls much wider than our hand, it's not a great gamble with our "healthy" stack.

as for his ranges here? who knows! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


ITM, bigstack, donk minraise, i think the 40-60% opening....20-30% calling could be ballpark. It's likely marginally good or bad either way. Where time often = $$ in the lower buyins, I might pass here. But it isn't horrible at all if you shoved.
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Old 01-01-2007, 10:52 PM
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Default Re: $1, A8s from UTG 5handed. Help figuring $EV?

Wow Bluefeet, I feel loved! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I'm sorry for the late reply. I'm think I understand basicly what you're saying here even if I don't grasp the semantics, and I will definately keep these aspects in mind when I debate pushing over a bet in the future. Thank you very much.
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