NL50 6m: QQ

Hoover · #1 12-31-2006, 02:45 AM

Hero $53 UTG
SB $70

Unfortunately no read on opponent.

Hero raises Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] to $1.75, folds to SB who calls.

Flop is 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (~$4)
SB bets $2, Hero raises to $7, SB reraises to $12, Hero calls.

Turn is 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (~$28)
SB bets $13.50, Hero pushes $39?

soberforlife · #2 12-31-2006, 02:50 AM

fold....what are you beating here?

cooker3 · #3 12-31-2006, 02:52 AM

Jacks, tens, nines, nut flush draw, various other draws.

Hoover · #4 12-31-2006, 02:56 AM

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fold....what are you beating here?

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Fold where? the flop 3bet? the turn?

Also, do you think there aren't any hands we're ahead of?

soberforlife · #5 12-31-2006, 02:57 AM

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Jacks, tens, nines, nut flush draw, various other draws.

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Don't you think a typical NL50 player would 4-bet it all in with jj or 1010 on the flop? I also haven't seen many players make this play with the nut flush draw. With that in mind it's 25 for an approx. 40 pot so you want to be ahead here 40% of the time or better. I have a feeling that you aren't here.

soberforlife · #6 12-31-2006, 02:58 AM

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fold....what are you beating here?

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Fold where? the flop 3bet? the turn?

Also, do you think there aren't any hands we're ahead of?

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I meant fold the turn push...and yes there are a few hands you are beating here; but for an unknown NL50 player I don't see this being a play with a draw

Hoover · #7 12-31-2006, 03:02 AM

sorry I'm idiot, but you mean fold to his turn bet right? I'm the one who pushed.

ihtfp · #8 12-31-2006, 03:04 AM

I don't think you gain anything here by pushing because it seems your fold equity is almost zero. If you want to stay in the hand, just call his turn bet.

cooker3 · #9 12-31-2006, 03:05 AM

The sb 3 betted the flop and the hero called, they didn't have a chance to 4 bet it so I think Jacks, tens and nines is still a possibility.
People love making these plays with draw and pair so A5 of spades or A8 along with possible straight flush draws.

I think there are a lot of hands the hero is ahead of here so definately lean towards calling.

Hoover · #10 12-31-2006, 03:05 AM

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I don't think you gain anything here by pushing because it seems your fold equity is almost zero. If you want to stay in the hand, just call his turn bet.

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I figure a lot of his range is flush draws. Don't I want him to pay for that?