2p on turn vs unknown - check-up

Rotterdaum · #1 12-30-2006, 07:02 AM

Just joined the table.. what's your take?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($198)
UTG ($221.40)
MP ($169.75)
Button ($183.10)
SB ($214.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $2, Button calls $2, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($8) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $4, Hero raises to $16, MP folds, Button folds, SB calls $12.

Turn: ($40) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $28, SB raises to $76

scorer · #2 12-30-2006, 07:08 AM

he check raised you with a straight like 90 percent of the time.

Clayton · #3 12-30-2006, 07:14 AM

i check turn here fwiw

JackAll · #4 12-30-2006, 07:17 AM

Feels a lot like 78 who just hit tp and big combo draw.
47 and 88 are possible also which makes me a bit nervous but I think I push now so we get money from draws which we won't get if they miss on the river.

JackAll · #5 12-30-2006, 07:21 AM

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he check raised you with a straight like 90 percent of the time.

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You could be right .. I play 100, not 200, but can you be sure enough that he has 47 here so often that a fold is in order?

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i check turn here fwiw

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So you want the myriad of draws to draw for free? I don't understand this, unless at 200nl people c/r with draws frequently(?)

scorer · #6 12-30-2006, 07:24 AM

I don't think a combo draw does this as he is more likely to call the raise then a re raise. By re raising hero you you have to be pretty sure he doesnt have the straight himself/i think thats unlikly from villian. Looks like you gonna go to war with stacks here on 2 pairs on a very drawy board.

Clayton · #7 12-30-2006, 07:24 AM

i care more about pot control than protecting my hand, jack all

Rotterdaum · #8 12-30-2006, 07:39 AM

I thought I couldn't slow down with a hand like this on a board this draw heavy. Against 77+ board pairing will kill me, ... fluh completing puts me in the twlight zone ... Then there are 4 straight and other ugly cards.

After he raised me, I decided that this hand was good enough to take to war and I always have outs, so I pushed.

I think it's close because if I check behind/call river, I'm giving up value against draws by giving them a free card, and also I'm giving up all chances of stacking overpairs/donks and such other decent cards. However, by b3b'ing turn, I lose value from bluffs/mediocre hands who aren't ready to go to war.

SO I don't know...

scorer · #9 12-30-2006, 11:39 AM

At this point, you can walk away without being pot committed, you might be ahead, but i think your probably behind here.