99 UTG against unknown BB

[threads13]

This is a fairly common situation I wanted to check up on here. The BB is an unknown.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Threads13 is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Threads13 raises</font>, 7 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Threads13...?

[BigBadBabar]

raise it up i'd say.

[threads13]

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raise it up i'd say.

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Why?

[kerowo]

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raise it up i'd say.

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Why?

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Because there a ton of hands that you are ahead of here that an aggressive blind defender (even if you aren't on a steal) will raise in this situation.

[threads13]

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raise it up i'd say.

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Why?

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Because there a ton of hands that you are ahead of here that an aggressive blind defender (even if you aren't on a steal) will raise in this situation.

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Fair enough, but we don't know that this is an aggressive blind defender. He is a complete unknown. What range do you give an unknown in this spot?

[VPIP100]

I normally raise, if he 3-bets you are most of the time behind (rarely a flushdraw/straight draw/2 overs) and you are drawing to 2 outs.

[Shillx]

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raise it up i'd say.

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Meh I'd just fold. Having called down in this situation about 49374 times I can attest to the fact that they always have a king. We know that they shouldn't bet one but they always do and to be honest it isn't that bad of a plan against someone who is thinking past the 1st level.

[VPIP100]

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raise it up i'd say.

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Meh I'd just fold. Having called down in this situation about 49374 times I can attest to the fact that they always have a king. We know that they shouldn't bet one but they always do and to be honest it isn't that bad of a plan against someone who is thinking past the 1st level.

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I often bet there with having hit (OESD/FD/middle pair etc) and take it down often, which is a good result. I see some regulars do the same.

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raise it up i'd say.

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Meh I'd just fold. Having called down in this situation about 49374 times I can attest to the fact that they always have a king. We know that they shouldn't bet one but they always do and to be honest it isn't that bad of a plan against someone who is thinking past the 1st level.

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I often bet there with having hit (OESD/FD/middle pair etc) and take it down often, which is a good result. I see some regulars do the same.

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Sounds like a good play... but we have no reason to believe that this guy is aggressive enough to donk middle pair here.

[BigBadBabar]

ok, but the way we get reads is sometimes to call down a marginal situation and maybe win or lose a hand, not fold to a flop donk because we don't have a boat already.