Overcalling 3 all ins with 47off, donkey, or smart trappy play?

[omaha]

Stars 4.5 game.

I had been raising blinds with trash, and was forced to call an all in or two with rubbish, due to pot odds. Had won all three, so i think most people thought i had no idea

Then this hand comes up, which i think i played quite well, but it certainly earned me the donkey tag, which i played with, and wound up coming fourth out of 180

I forget the actual stacks, but this is how it went

blinds 50/100, full ring

Player short stacked in ep goes ai for 300. three other callers.

Im in bb with 47 off. I call, there is 1200 in pot, so i am getting about 6-1 on my money. Obviously, i want 2 pair/straight.

Given that i close off the betting, and i am very likely to see some free cards, because of the all in, i call

Flop 539 two hearts. All check
Turn 6 hearts, giving me a straight with a flush on board.
I lead out and shove all in (about a pot and a half bet), in case someone has one heart. If they have 2, i am more than happy to go broke on this hand.

Someone calls with a9 (one heart), and i am the laughing stock of the table, which i play up to with stupid questions, hoping to bust someone else. Unfortunately, i get no monsters, and am basically stealing blinds with pushes later.

I think my play was quite brilliant, given the unique circumstances. I would have been a bit more hesitant to call in the sb, due to worse odds, and having an active player left to act.

Thoughts?

[betgo]

Just fold. You can't bluff with a player allin and you have an ultimate junk hand. This isn't close, and maybe not time to promote yourself to 10/180s.

[shaundeeb]

shoving>calling.

[Fiksdal]

OP, you descriped the hand in a bit of a confusing way, but it seems to me that you played it pretty good.

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shoving>calling.

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If you push, I'm sure you have plenty of FE against the 3 callers, so that adds t900 to the pot. The problem is, you still have to race with the AI shortstack for it. So you'll probably get something like 35% equity in this overlay pot. Still you were risking way too much to achieve this. Given your image, one of the callers could even get stubborn and call your push. So I don't think this is a good idea.

IMO preflop: calling > folding > pushing

[SuperUberBob]

Not as brilliant as you think buddy. It's pretty standard.

Deeb brings up a reasonable idea:

If you have the table covered, shoving is huge EV. People at micro tourneys have a penchant for overcalling ultra cheap all-in shoves preflop with any two cards. If you shove with any two, you can easily force out everybody, leaving a crapload of dead money in the pot with you and villain to go heads up.

[shaundeeb]

I'm not much of a number crunchers and we don't have the other people stacks but I know the estimations I've done in similar spots like this the most +EV move is shoving.

[Fiksdal]

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I'm not much of a number crunchers and we don't have the other people stacks but I know the estimations I've done in similar spots like this the most +EV move is shoving.

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I'm sure, but the fact that the table is getting fed up with Hero's looseness here makes this very situtaion different.

And yeah stacks sizes matter a lot too obviously. If the villain who is closing the action if you push has like 15k then pushing is certainly out of the question. Just an extreme example.

Still, I think pushing is -EV here.

[shaundeeb]

umm that's my usual image and the play still works for me all the time.

[Fiksdal]

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umm that's my usual image and the play still works for me all the time.

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OK sir. You have a lot more experience than me anyway. Find some hands that are simmilar, post, and I'm sure it will be a good discussion.

[shaundeeb]

PokerStars Game #7637265823: Tournament #38704476, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2006/12/27 - 21:31:11 (ET)
Table '38704476 192' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: oakuspokus (4730 in chips)
Seat 2: shaundeeb (64777 in chips)
Seat 3: yeahmg (15346 in chips)
Seat 4: steve_u (31596 in chips)
Seat 5: playboy198 (13138 in chips)
Seat 6: cardius#1 (17208 in chips)
Seat 7: JDL41 (35757 in chips)
Seat 9: FinnenKaj (16393 in chips)
oakuspokus: posts the ante 50
shaundeeb: posts the ante 50
yeahmg: posts the ante 50
steve_u: posts the ante 50
playboy198: posts the ante 50
cardius#1: posts the ante 50
JDL41: posts the ante 50
FinnenKaj: posts the ante 50
shaundeeb: posts small blind 400
yeahmg: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to shaundeeb [6c 7c]
steve_u: raises 800 to 1600
playboy198 is disconnected
playboy198 is connected
playboy198: folds
cardius#1: calls 1600
JDL41: calls 1600
FinnenKaj: folds
oakuspokus: raises 3080 to 4680 and is all-in
shaundeeb: raises 3080 to 7760
yeahmg: folds
steve_u: folds
cardius#1: folds
JDL41: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jh 2d 4d]
*** TURN *** [Jh 2d 4d] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [Jh 2d 4d 6d] [7d]
shaundeeb said, "loll"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
shaundeeb: shows [6c 7c] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
oakuspokus: shows [Ac As] (a pair of Aces)
shaundeeb collected 15360 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 15360 | Rake 0
Board [Jh 2d 4d 6d 7d]
Seat 1: oakuspokus (button) showed [Ac As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: shaundeeb (small blind) showed [6c 7c] and won (15360) with two pair, Sevens and Sixes
Seat 3: yeahmg (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: steve_u folded before Flop
Seat 5: playboy198 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: cardius#1 folded before Flop
Seat 7: JDL41 folded before Flop
Seat 9: FinnenKaj folded before Flop (didn't bet)