spew?

[joker122]

edit: stars 10/20 btw

he's 40/20/2 pretty decent post flop.

he open limps in the co, i raise QJh in the sb, unk bb calls.

flop is A83 with 1 heart.

i bet, bb folds, co raises, i call planning to CR any turn except for a Q or J (in which case i will c/c)

my thinking is that this is exactly how i'd play an ace, and exactly how he wouldn't.

[surfdoc]

I think this hand is interesting especially next to the other LAG vs TAG thread since it is these types of spots that will come up so often. I think you are right that he doesn't play an Ace like this but the real question is will he fold 78s or a pair if he has one. When I make this play he calls down and I see some rag pair or I get 3 bet on the turn and have to fold. So I think overall it is a loser but wtf do I know since I am just a "bad TAG".

[hedgetop]

I think we are in pretty bad shape here + oop I would fold this on the flop to the raise.

[admiralfluff]

He will never fold a lower pair. I almost always fold flop.

If I plan on calling shenanigans:

If you haven't done anything spaztastic recently, I'd rather 3bet the flop (fold to a cap) and bet any turn, sometimes following river.

[DpR]

C/R ing an non heart brick on the turn seems pretty silly IMO.

I think there are a whole bunch of aces in his range (specifically for a 40/20 player).

[kapw7]

Sometimes you need to take a stand against these laggy donk raises on A-rag flops. So it's not a bad play if you do it in the right frequency, I mean you are going to have an ace there the majority of times.

I don't agree with the flop 3-bet b/c he's never folding anything on the flop.

And he open limped on CO? I think the odds of him having an Ace are lower than ppl think.

[admiralfluff]

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I don't agree with the flop 3-bet b/c he's never folding anything on the flop.

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This is far from true (I would guess he folds to the 3bet 3-7% of the time), but even if it were: the flop 3bet/turn follow gets him to fold at least as often as the turn bluff c/r (assuming you usually fast-play flops OoP against these guys, as most of us do), but is .5 bb cheaper.

[kapw7]

Say the decision point is when we get raised on the flop then the flop 3-bet play is giving 10:4 and OP's play is giving 11:5. So the 3-bet gives slightly better odds but I think OP's play works more times as long as he plays a good ace the same way. Moreimportant, this play sort of increases our profit when we actually have the Ace

I can't say for sure if it's the best play but both plays (yours and OP's) seem close so it is at least playable (if we decide not to fold)

[kapw7]

It's also very interesting to see how the LAG play is really good there. He's getting 7:2 for his flop raise so he needs to get a fold 22% to make it profitable.
A straightforward player's range for SB would be something like:
ATo+, A7s+, 88+ 9.4% hands not folding
77/66, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, KJo+, QJo 5.7% folding

So he can be folding close to 38% of times
It seems that the SB needs to at least play more loosely on the flop.

[wackjob]

I don't think this is a spew, but I wouldn't do it often. If you are facing the same opponents over and over, then for meta game reasons its ok, even when you are losing. IF this is how you normally play an A, then you obviously have some fold equity, but never against an actual A.