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Old 12-27-2006, 02:06 PM
Bavid Denyamine Bavid Denyamine is offline
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Default 200NL - Set on dry flop - what\'s my best line?

Villain is 19/16 over a couple hundred hands and I'm pretty sure is a 2+2er. Either way, has been playing smart the whole time. I'm interested on other people's lines for max value here. (FWIW, I think Villain has at worst a big ace here, likely an overpair. Oh, and I normally would 3-bet pre-flop here but I think I misclicked multi-tabling. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players

Stack Sizes:
UTG: $124.60
Villain: $325.55
CO: $200
Button: $184.40
Hero: $280.70
BB: $214

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="red">Villain raises to $7</font>, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($30, 4 players)
Hero...?

What do you think is the standard line here? c/c and hope more dead money stays in? I thought about making like a weak lead since the pot was multi-way and Villain might raise with any overpair to fold out the rest of the hands. I didn't like c/r because that just screams "I flopped a set" to me. What do you do?
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Old 12-27-2006, 02:40 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Set on dry flop - what\'s my best line?

check call flop since it's so dry.

more villians in pot on turn more inclined you should be to lead out.

A or k on turn u should more likely c/r allowing the pfr or whoever to take a stab at the pot

the more aggro the villian left on the turn, the more likely u should be to c/r and visa versa
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Old 12-27-2006, 02:52 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Set on dry flop - what\'s my best line?

I like checking the flop because of your relative position to the preflop raiser. However, if you check and Villain bets and gets a couple calls from the CO and Button, when you check-raise the flop it'll look like u have a monster.

But I really don't like check-call and lead turn, it's just a weird line. And check-call, check turn could lead to everyone checking behind on the turn.

I guess I'd still check-raise flop.
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Old 12-27-2006, 02:56 PM
Bavid Denyamine Bavid Denyamine is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - Set on dry flop - what\'s my best line?

I meant lead the flop, not check-call and lead turn. I can't really figure out a way to play this hand that disguises my hand at all besides leading the flop.
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Old 12-27-2006, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Set on dry flop - what\'s my best line?

I would check this flop and call most times. c/r-ing is way too strong vs. an observant player, and he will fold strong holdings. I c/c and see the turn.
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Old 12-27-2006, 03:26 PM
Bavid Denyamine Bavid Denyamine is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - Set on dry flop - what\'s my best line?

orange, where do we go from here? I'll give you some of the rest of the action.

I checked, Hero bet $28, folded to me, I called. I agreed that c/r was way too strong. Turn was the 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], I checked, he checked. Now what? I'm really putting him on a big ace at this point and, unless he pairs on the river and loses his mind, there's no way I'll extract that many chips.

Could a weak lead on the flop inspire him to raise? I'm really confused on how to play this hand for max value.
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Old 12-27-2006, 03:39 PM
DMBFan23 DMBFan23 is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - Set on dry flop - what\'s my best line?

the interesting side question that this inspires for me, is, how often do we (or should we) c/r this flop with air (or relative air, say, 33)
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Old 12-27-2006, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Set on dry flop - what\'s my best line?

Since it ended up heads up. I like a check call and lead turn line.
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Old 12-27-2006, 04:02 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Set on dry flop - what\'s my best line?

I'd probably do a check/call, weak lead turn line (hoping for a raise so I can push).

The big ace will check behind the turn, and there's a good chance he'd check behind with an overpair, too, with your check/call. I think with a weakish turn lead, you fold out the big aces (unless an A hits), but you probably at least get a crying call from overpairs, and maybe a raise.
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Old 12-27-2006, 07:10 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Set on dry flop - what\'s my best line?

weak lead on the turn works. checking works as well. I might check again, because thats what I do with like 88 and the like here (or something like TT...I prob fold 88 in this spot on the flop but whatever).
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