Key hand in FT $100+9: Flop decision in later stages.

[Micdiddy]

This is my first post on 2+2 and i wasn't able to figure out the converter, forgive me please. There are 60 people left in this 30K guaranteed Deep Stack 6 handed $109 FT tourney, and 42 get paid, average at this point is around 16K. First is around $7,800 (Which of course i'm shooting for). The VILLAIN here hasn't made any big moves and hasn't been splashing around in many pots, but has been playing solid, making position steals, etc. Not a loose player but certainly not tighter than normal. His raise on the flop was almost instant. What's my best move here?


Full Tilt Poker Game #1470201236: $30,000 Guarantee - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em -

Seat 1: xxx (11,729)
Seat 2: xxx (32,692)
Seat 3: VILLAIN (19,053)
Seat 4: xxx (26,855)
Seat 5: xxx (17,140)
Seat 6: HERO (9,850)
xxx antes 50
xxx antes 50
VILLAIN antes 50
xxx antes 50
xxx antes 50
HERO antes 50
xxx posts the small blind of 200
VILLAIN posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Tc As]
xxx folds
xxx folds
HERO raises to 1,100
xxx folds
xxx folds
VILLAIN calls 700
*** FLOP *** [Kc Td 8d]
VILLAIN checks
HERO bets 1,500
VILLAIN raises to 6,400
HERO ?

[RetiredAt22]

I'd Fold, but i dont think id be in that position because i dont raise with A10 off from mp. I like to pic my spots a little better.

[DeeKay]

[ QUOTE ]
I'd Fold, but i dont think id be in that position because i dont raise with A10 off from mp. I like to pic my spots a little better.

[/ QUOTE ]

You do realize it's 6max and hero's M = 10?

FTR - I lay it down, we're only barely ahead of SD/FD and we've got no chance of improvement.

[Micdiddy]

Really? you wouldn't open raise on CO with A10? Pretty tight don't you think?

[betgo]

I would fold, but I wouldn't cbet. Of course the preflop raise is standard.

[Micdiddy]

[ QUOTE ]
I would fold, but I wouldn't cbet. Of course the preflop raise is standard.

[/ QUOTE ]

Interesting, why no C-bet? It seems pretty standard here, but i'd like to hear why you wouldn't C-bet, thanks for the help.

[betgo]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I would fold, but I wouldn't cbet. Of course the preflop raise is standard.

[/ QUOTE ]

Interesting, why no C-bet? It seems pretty standard here, but i'd like to hear why you wouldn't C-bet, thanks for the help.

[/ QUOTE ]
You have 2nd pair. You are not going to make a hand that is ahead of you fold. You have 5 outs to improve. Villain could checkraise with a straight or flush draw.

I think it is a limit holdem habit to automatically bet the flop every time you raise.

[Micdiddy]

Well it's not just a limit holdem habit, it's a habit in almost every game. I definitely see your point here, i think you are right that a check might have been better, or alternatively a bigger C-bet to give draws less fold equity.

[Well_TiMeD]

[ QUOTE ]
Well it's not just a limit holdem habit, it's a habit in almost every game. I definitely see your point here, i think you are right that a check might have been better, or alternatively a bigger C-bet to give draws less fold equity.

[/ QUOTE ]

bigger cbet just totally commits you tho. A check is best here but I don't mind it as played if you fold.

[w33ktight]

[ QUOTE ]
I'd Fold, but i dont think id be in that position because i dont raise with A10 off from mp. I like to pic my spots a little better.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would raise AT in the CO in this spot pretty much every time, folding is pretty weak imo.

The flop is a pretty clear fold. Also, the best play might be to check the flop. Kind of a defensive check, our hand might be(and probably is) best, but not many worse hands call, we dont want to play a big pot with middle pair, and we cant stand a check raise here. Also not many turn cards can scare us.