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Old 12-24-2006, 07:35 AM
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Default Top two and NFD, can I ever call this?

I need 34.5% in the hand to break even and wanted to call. Is there any chance UTG+1 is behind enough to call? I've not looked at many numbers but he doesn't need to be behind that much for a call to be OK. Saying that, I couldn't see how he could not be ahead. He was about 30/17/5 but didn't seem that aggressive, with the odd underbet (so I'm thinking marginal donk tendancies but not much). I hadn't seen one big move at all, just the odd steal here and there. The shortie was a little bit donkish with leads but didn't get to showndown often.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $933.85
UTG+1: $628
CO: $546.80
Button: $783.21
SB: $1076.10
BB: $354.66

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $21</font>, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($66, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $45</font>, UTG+1 calls, BB calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($201, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $78</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises all-in $562</font>, BB folds, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $484 returned to UTG+1.

Results:
Final pot: $435
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Old 12-24-2006, 10:20 AM
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Default Re: Top two and NFD, can I ever call this?

USe Pokerstove and you know it!
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Old 12-24-2006, 10:27 AM
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Default Re: Top two and NFD, can I ever call this?

u are basically never ahead here (&lt;5%) but u have 15 outs so it's just math. i can't do math.
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Old 12-24-2006, 10:40 AM
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Default Re: Top two and NFD, can I ever call this?

You do not have 15 outs.
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Old 12-24-2006, 10:59 AM
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Default Re: Top two and NFD, can I ever call this?

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I'm not getting odds of catching up when I am behind (and some outs are taken if he has the flush, as he almost always will). The question is, will he ever have a worse made hand and make this play? He was kinda odd at times so maybe it's closer than it looks.
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Old 12-24-2006, 12:13 PM
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Default Re: Top two and NFD, can I ever call this?

I really doubt I could make that fold at the table, but thinking about it now, I can't for the life of me put you ahead often enough to call profitably. Folding is probably correct, calling would be a small mistake though.
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Old 12-24-2006, 12:23 PM
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Default Re: Top two and NFD, can I ever call this?

I agree.
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