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Old 12-23-2006, 03:54 PM
Heisenb3rg Heisenb3rg is offline
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You've probabily heard this all before, but I rarely see TAG/LAGS's doing this.

In small unraised HU/3-way pots my new favorite line against agressive players (mixing it up of course because its very exploitable)
is c/c,c/c,c/c..

Also make sure you seem to take a long time deciding to call the turn, and dont insta-call anywhere.

Try it sometime [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 12-23-2006, 04:51 PM
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That's some aikido [censored] right there. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 12-23-2006, 05:03 PM
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Default Re: Newest breakthrough in my game

with top pair?
I like it.
SOmetimes I bet the river , especially if they can check behind after your turn call
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Old 12-23-2006, 05:14 PM
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Default Re: Newest breakthrough in my game

I love doing this. It really seems to piss off the LAG's also.
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Old 12-23-2006, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: Newest breakthrough in my game

Somehow, this thread is both:

1) Stupid.
2) One of the most important things a new shorthanded player should read.
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Old 12-23-2006, 10:16 PM
MacGuyV MacGuyV is offline
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Default Re: Newest breakthrough in my game

[ QUOTE ]
with top pair?
I like it.
SOmetimes I bet the river , especially if they can check behind after your turn call

[/ QUOTE ]

Terrible line w/ TP...too many Lag donks 3bet flops w/ air and call turn C/R's with gutshots, etc.
With bottom pair I'm all about it.
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Old 12-24-2006, 12:07 AM
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Default Re: Newest breakthrough in my game

Seriously McGahee? Seriously? The wa/wb line is perfect with TPNK or MPGK. Why would we want worse hands to slow down if we are beating them and they will fire into us? I usually donk the river cuz these lags never seem to know what to do with it.
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Old 12-24-2006, 01:33 AM
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I think his point was that true LAGs won't back down to your raise - they will continue to come over the top or at least see the river. I have seen this with VERY few players (truly LAGgro donks) multiway, but it is very common head up and three-handed. For players who watch HU matches with tough players and marvel at the raising wars on multiple streets ... it is because you have to get more value than just 5 small blinds (postflop) when you flop a real hand. If you are playing tight aggressive poker two or three handed against aggressive players, you can't play WA/WB poker with ANY made hand.

The idea of WA/WB is that you know that if you act strongly and are raised - you are almost certainly behind (so you have wasted those chips). And if you act strongly and are ahead, you will cause your opponent to fold. In this case, you might be raised by a player holding the absolute worst possible hand. So fire away...

It is certainly a worthy point.
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Old 12-24-2006, 02:12 AM
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What's the WA/WB line?
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Old 12-24-2006, 02:15 AM
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"The idea of WA/WB is that you know that if you act strongly and are raised - you are almost certainly behind (so you have wasted those chips). And if you act strongly and are ahead, you will cause your opponent to fold"

It's usually, c/c, c/c, c/c ... or c/c, c/c, b/f(c) ... or c/c, c/c, c/f.

The idea is ... you raise in early with AJ, button re-raises and you call. Flop is A x x. You check, he bets... what do you do? He's got either Ax (x will vary based on the player and the game) or a pocket pair. If you check raise, he'll fold his pair or three bet AQ and up (or worse he'll flat call and pop the turn). You can take all the guesswork out by WA/WB'ing it.
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