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Old 12-20-2006, 08:49 PM
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Default Wanna get ballsy with a 3 bet bluff deep?

Stars 109. 27 make the money and we entered it a few hands ago. 26 left i beleive at this point. Tables were just rearranged so no read on villian. Blinds are 300/600.
Your stack: 15k
Villians stackL: 16k.
Ave stack: About 17k
Blinds: 300/600 with 50 ante.
You hold ATo in teh SB, villian is BB.

Preflop: Folds to you in SB, you raise to 1600, villian calls.

Flop: 6 8 6 (pot 3400)
You bet 2000, villian makes it 5000, you?

Who wants to get ballsy here and jam? We know he doesn't have a 6 because he'll NEVER EVER raise here in position, and very unlikely has a pp because most of those reraise pre. Unfortunately we've got no read since we're new and this is major FPS. Do we have any fold equity against an 8? If you jam and he folds he'll have about 10k left.
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Old 12-20-2006, 08:54 PM
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Default Re: Wanna get ballsy with a 3 bet bluff deep?

i think you are too shallow to be making heroic plays like this
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:20 PM
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Default Re: Wanna get ballsy with a 3 bet bluff deep?

Variation: Flatcall flop, shove turn. He'll expect that less than he will a probable 3-bet on flop.

If it's a bluff, it's a bluff.
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:25 PM
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Default Re: Wanna get ballsy with a 3 bet bluff deep?

"We know he doesn't have a 6 because he'll NEVER EVER raise here in position,"

yeah... NO.
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:30 PM
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Default Re: Wanna get ballsy with a 3 bet bluff deep?

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"We know he doesn't have a 6 because he'll NEVER EVER raise here in position,"

yeah... NO.

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No as in he woudln't raise it or NO to ever shoving?
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:41 PM
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Default Re: Wanna get ballsy with a 3 bet bluff deep?

NO as to your ABSURD assumption.
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:44 PM
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Default Re: Wanna get ballsy with a 3 bet bluff deep?

Fast playing is the new slow playing, and personally I love doing it with sets

I think this is a slightly -EV spot to shove, if he has an 8 he's most likely calling you for 6400 more, thinking you're FOS. If he has a set you're dead. Also since this is deep in the 109 the villain is hopefully a thinking player so I cut my losses and fold here
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:47 PM
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NO as to your ABSURD assumption.

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Good players would, name players would, your ave unknown almost never does.
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Old 12-20-2006, 10:37 PM
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Default Re: Wanna get ballsy with a 3 bet bluff deep?

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NO as to your ABSURD assumption.

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Good players would, name players would, your ave unknown almost never does.

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yeah they do bud. all the f'n time.

this would be more interesting if you had like A2 and a flush draw
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