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Old 12-19-2006, 05:25 PM
stonescar stonescar is offline
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Default $3/6 TPGK faces bet and raise on turn

As far as I know villain is a solid Tag. He's also been playing 5/10.
BB is a regular 3/6 fish, calling too much on all streets
No specific reads

Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Preflop: (5 players, $0)
MP folds, CO calls $3 and raises $3, Hero calls $6 and raises $3, SB folds, BB calls $6, CO calls $3

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, $24)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3, CO calls $3

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, $33)
BB bets $6, CO calls $6 and raises $6. Hero?

What are my options, and why?
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Old 12-19-2006, 05:33 PM
danzasmack danzasmack is offline
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Default Re: $3/6 TPGK faces bet and raise on turn

you 3-bet a solid TAG pf, C-bet the flop and now he is facing you with 2 cold. Either he is making an expert raise here to try and force you out to get it heads up or he has you crushed. The first part doesn't make much sense because the fish donk should be a good amount of strength.

Your only option is fold as I think CC'ing is bad and going 3-cold might be worse.
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Old 12-19-2006, 08:19 PM
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Default Re: $3/6 TPGK faces bet and raise on turn

What do you think villains holdings are here?
Let's say that villain is tricky enough to try to push me out.
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Old 12-19-2006, 09:22 PM
Nick C Nick C is offline
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Default Re: $3/6 TPGK faces bet and raise on turn

Unfortunately, I think you should fold, given the unexpected turn action.

CO probably flopped a monster or just made two pair or better. Meanwhile, we can't rule out a straight or two pair for BB, although it's also possible he just picked up a pair to go with his draw.
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Old 12-19-2006, 09:33 PM
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Default Re: $3/6 TPGK faces bet and raise on turn

CO is not messing around on this turn. Often you'll call down and he'll show you TTT, or AQ. I think the worst hand you see from CO is AK of hearts.

Only if you've seen him make this specific play before with a hand that is worse than TPGK can you look him up, IMO.

When it really does look like a good player is trying to push you out, he probably isn't. If he had something like JJ, or AK or whatever, he would likely just call the donk bet or fold. He knows you have something good, and he's not concerned. Fold!
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Old 12-19-2006, 11:19 PM
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Default Re: $3/6 TPGK faces bet and raise on turn

i fold the turn. you are up against a straight or a set
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Old 12-20-2006, 06:02 AM
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Default Re: $3/6 TPGK faces bet and raise on turn

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Unfortunately, I think you should fold, given the unexpected turn action.

CO probably flopped a monster or just made two pair or better. Meanwhile, we can't rule out a straight or two pair for BB, although it's also possible he just picked up a pair to go with his draw.

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Who are we most afraid of here, BB or CO?
Many of the hands that co beats me with, I think he would have played differently. AQ/TT probably caps preflop and raises flop. I think he would raise 88/66 on the flop as well. QT/J9 might play this way, but it might be QJ/Q9/99/77 as well. Of course KQ is also a possibility.

I guess what I want to know is how much info do I need before I act upon it, and what's the option for me?

3-bet for free showdown, possibly folding to a cap?

EDIT: I know there are some tricky Tags on 2+2, what are your holdings here? What kind of read to you need on BB and me to isoraise this turn?
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Old 12-20-2006, 08:11 AM
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Default Re: $3/6 TPGK faces bet and raise on turn

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i fold the turn. you are up against a straight or a set

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and if you're not, take this note that he's that tricky
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