Tough river question OOP

[DonkSlayer]

UB $2/$4 LIMIT HE No reads.

DonkSlayer is in the BB with 10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

EP3 raises to $4. MP2 calls $4. Sb folds, DonkSlayer calls $2.


Flop 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

DonkSlayer bets $2. EP3 raises to $4. MP2 raises to $6. DonkSlayer calls $4. EP3 raises to $8. MP2 calls $2. DonkSlayer calls $2.

Turn 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

DonkSlayer checks. EP3 checks. MP2 checks.

WTF?

River 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

DonkSlayer bets.


Standard? EP3 or MP2 on a scared set or QJ often enough to c/c river?

[Harv72b]

Tough to say. EP3 could have an overpair (which you beat), A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (which you beat), 99 (which you beat but which may not call the river bet), or he could've whiffed on a turn c/r with broadway, putting you on a flush draw & MP2 on something like AQ. I don't see how he could even consider checking the turn with a set or even TPTK.

MP2 could well have some sort of combo hand, a better two pair with QJ, or a worse two pair with JT. Or of course AQ, or he could be an idiot.

It feels weak, but I'd still check/call the river simply because I hate to get raised & I know that I'd feel obligated to call that raise. I have to think that one of them will fire off a bet with or without a better hand than your queens up.

[TripleH68]

Slayer,

Reads would be very helpful in this hand. Also is the table full?

I don't see why you bet the flop. The board is so draw heavy any raise will be tough to read. And a set is unlikely given you hold QT.

I'd bet the river.

[butters]

I like the flop bet into the preflop raiser. Let him raise it up and face the field with two bets, especially with the draws out there.

[DonkSlayer]

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Slayer,

Reads would be very helpful in this hand. Also is the table full?

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No reads. Table is full.

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I don't see why you bet the flop. The board is so draw heavy any raise will be tough to read. And a set is unlikely given you hold QT.

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Value and possibly choking off something like a 99 or AJ from MP. A set of 10's from MP2 and a especially a set of J's from EP3 is not that unlikely.


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[DonkSlayer]

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It feels weak, but I'd still check/call the river simply because I hate to get raised & I know that I'd feel obligated to call that raise. I have to think that one of them will fire off a bet with or without a better hand than your queens up.

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Regardless of the result, I'm reeaaallly happy that I decided to lead this river. I think AQ/KQ and especially KK would pay off a bet where they may just check the river behind, given the flop was capped.

[BigBadBabar]

no one has a scared set, in my opinion (no such thing really! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ). someone could have had four spades, and i'm not as sure about the other guy, maybe kq or aq who got a bit worried by the action. i think your river play is fine. not sure, but i might have just gone ahead and capped the flop myself. you're obviously coming along and you might as well rep as much strength as possible.

i feel like you won this hand or would win it a fair bit.

bbb

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It feels weak, but I'd still check/call the river

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if by check, you mean bet, then check.

NO better hand EVER checks that turn...
AA or KK and KQ here in my opinion. maybe AJs for one of them.