Kill Pot Question

[Nuevo99]

Let's just say for example that you have a bankroll that will sustain a 3/6 game at the most. (could be any level for this question)

If your casino has a game with the full kill pot feature, how many of you would just skip the kill pot hands (because it's a 6/12 game and outside of your bankroll)?

Of if is it still acceptable to play the kill pots since they dont happen "as often". Im leaning toward thinking you need a bigger bankroll for these games.

Because it would be a mistake probally to sit down in a 6/12 game that you dont have the bankroll for, so it cant be that correct to play all those hands that are kill pots. (obviously the competition is softer which helps, but Im thinking more in terms of the varience)

[Rick Nebiolo]

Here's the KISS method I use when I play a kill game that's on the edge of my BR (e.g, the 25/50 kill, re-kill at Aqua Caliente). At Aqau it's a win two pots in a row and then you must kill. If you win three in a row you post a $100 kill and your are now playing 100/200, big for me.

- If I win a pot I tighten up preflop (and postflop on marginal edges) next hand.

- I tighten up more than usual UTG because if I win that hand I get the BB next hand and now I will win more often then usual percentage defending my blind (if memory serves you kill on a walk in the blinds).

- If I'm facing a kill I tighten up once others are in. If no one is in your steal equity goes way up so I loosen up on my steals. Otherwise you are spewing EV.

In a kill game that's well within my comfort zone (e.g., 8/16 kill at Oceans 11) I tend to be very aggressive when someone else has the kill, especially when I perceive that my opponents are now out of their comfort zone. But I still tighten up when I win the previous flop and when I'm UTG.

Comments appreciated.

~ Rick

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If your casino has a game with the full kill pot feature, how many of you would just skip the kill pot hands (because it's a 6/12 game and outside of your bankroll)?


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This could be difficult Nuevo, your dealt in, unless you refuse to be dealt cards to.

If it is your kill button, you are forced to post the kill blind ( unless you leave the game ).

-tony

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Let's just say for example that you have a bankroll that will sustain a 3/6 game at the most. (could be any level for this question)

If your casino has a game with the full kill pot feature, how many of you would just skip the kill pot hands (because it's a 6/12 game and outside of your bankroll)?

Of if is it still acceptable to play the kill pots since they dont happen "as often". Im leaning toward thinking you need a bigger bankroll for these games.

Because it would be a mistake probally to sit down in a 6/12 game that you dont have the bankroll for, so it cant be that correct to play all those hands that are kill pots. (obviously the competition is softer which helps, but Im thinking more in terms of the varience)

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And, if you are dealt out of pots that are not 'your' kill. When it is your kill, other players will hammer your kill blind relentlessly. In this case, are you just going to let them steal $12 from you everytime you have to kill the pot?

And if you do defend your kill, you will be much easier to read and put on hands, right when the stakes double. Not Good.

They will 'know' your playing a certain range of cards. If two solid regular players start a raising war, with you in the middle. Is it with two solid hands, or are they just trying to squeeze you out?

You will be playing scared money, thats never good. Your going to be worrying about variance, while the properly capitilized players will be scheming to take your chips.

If you are not betting when you should, or raising when you should, your not playing good poker. Eventually it is going to cost you a big pot, when you can least afford it.

[pig4bill]

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Let's just say for example that you have a bankroll that will sustain a 3/6 game at the most. (could be any level for this question)

If your casino has a game with the full kill pot feature, how many of you would just skip the kill pot hands (because it's a 6/12 game and outside of your bankroll)?

Of if is it still acceptable to play the kill pots since they dont happen "as often". Im leaning toward thinking you need a bigger bankroll for these games.

Because it would be a mistake probally to sit down in a 6/12 game that you dont have the bankroll for, so it cant be that correct to play all those hands that are kill pots. (obviously the competition is softer which helps, but Im thinking more in terms of the varience)

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And, if you are dealt out of pots that are not 'your' kill. When it is your kill, other players will hammer your kill blind relentlessly. In this case, are you just going to let them steal $12 from you everytime you have to kill the pot?

And if you do defend your kill, you will be much easier to read and put on hands, right when the stakes double. Not Good.

They will 'know' your playing a certain range of cards. If two solid regular players start a raising war, with you in the middle. Is it with two solid hands, or are they just trying to squeeze you out?

You will be playing scared money, thats never good. Your going to be worrying about variance, while the properly capitilized players will be scheming to take your chips.

If you are not betting when you should, or raising when you should, your not playing good poker. Eventually it is going to cost you a big pot, when you can least afford it.

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Heh? How many hands is it going to take them to figure this out? How many kill posted pots does the average player get? The last time I played a kill game for maybe 4 hours total I had precisely zero kill pots. The time before that I played for about 6 hours total and had one, or two at the most, kill pots.

[magoo]

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Let's just say for example that you have a bankroll that will sustain a 3/6 game at the most. (could be any level for this question)

If your casino has a game with the full kill pot feature, how many of you would just skip the kill pot hands (because it's a 6/12 game and outside of your bankroll)?

Of if is it still acceptable to play the kill pots since they dont happen "as often". Im leaning toward thinking you need a bigger bankroll for these games.

Because it would be a mistake probally to sit down in a 6/12 game that you dont have the bankroll for, so it cant be that correct to play all those hands that are kill pots. (obviously the competition is softer which helps, but Im thinking more in terms of the varience)

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And, if you are dealt out of pots that are not 'your' kill. When it is your kill, other players will hammer your kill blind relentlessly. In this case, are you just going to let them steal $12 from you everytime you have to kill the pot?

And if you do defend your kill, you will be much easier to read and put on hands, right when the stakes double. Not Good.

They will 'know' your playing a certain range of cards. If two solid regular players start a raising war, with you in the middle. Is it with two solid hands, or are they just trying to squeeze you out?

You will be playing scared money, thats never good. Your going to be worrying about variance, while the properly capitilized players will be scheming to take your chips.

If you are not betting when you should, or raising when you should, your not playing good poker. Eventually it is going to cost you a big pot, when you can least afford it.

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Heh? How many hands is it going to take them to figure this out? How many kill posted pots does the average player get? The last time I played a kill game for maybe 4 hours total I had precisely zero kill pots. The time before that I played for about 6 hours total and had one, or two at the most, kill pots.

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So Pig4bill, it seems what you are stating to the OP is that a player with a " bankroll that will sustain a 3/6 game at the most " should increase his ROR / variance by playing in a full kill game??

Simply because kill pots are infrequent??

Any solid player would reduce their ROR if at all possible. Playing above your bankroll is not the way to do that.

4 hours = 0 kill pots
6 hours = 1.5 kill pots

Pig4bill, you should probably be working on your own game selection abilities, instead of giving advice.

I dunno, I play only graveyard games and alot of omaha/8, these games probably have much different kill pot averages than a day hold'em player would see.

[steamboatin]

Just play super tight in the Kill pots. Here, unless you are the Killer and have to post the kill blind, it doesn't cost any extra to get your hole cards. Just play premium hands in Kill pots. Unless you have a super loose Donkey on a good run of cards, Kill pots are infrequent, but I saw someone win 9 Kill pots in a row one night at Caesar's IN 10-20 LHE with a full kill.

[Yads]

Don't be a nit, just play your kill.

[adenosine]

The live O8 game I play has kill pots that have either crushed me or made me a very happy man. Generally I play much tighter pre-flop. If it's my kill I treat it much like I was in the BB. I've also found you get no respect for a hand, even when you raise your kill, which means that if you get something nice you can get a big payday.