Lower FH vs 2p2

[Heine]

Villian is another 2p2, 20/17 i have him running. Ultra aggressive. A Good player hasn't been out of line at all.


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $39.95
UTG+1: $100
CO: $19.10
Button: $115.75
Hero: $115.25
BB: $179.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $3.5</font>, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($11.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($11.5, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $9</font>, UTG+1 calls, Button folds.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($29.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $19</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises all-in $87.5</font>, Hero vomits and then???

Results:
Final pot: $204.5

Is that river a c/f?
Or a C/c?

Or b/f?

[Bukem_]

bet fold.

[CaucasianAsian29]

I think you need to bet the river for value, but then i dunno. It's very hard for me to lay this down. curious what others have to say.

[MercifulZidane]

I dont see how you can lay this down. Looking at the action, KK, and maybe K9 are the only reasonable hands he could have that beat you.
If he has AA or a9 then you gotta pay him off, and make a note that he's a donk.

[ajmargarine]

Agst a 2p2'er I think you can lay it down. You are playing it exactly like you have trip 9's. He is saying he can beat trip nines. And if he can beat 999, he can beat your bottom boat.

He might have AK once in a blue moon. But, it really looks like KK, with maybe an AA on the side.

[GrandMelon]

This spot sucks. Obviously c/c loses a ton a value and is very weak while betting then having him shove over the top=puke. Id probably call then throw my keyboard at someone when he flips kings full.

[Novles]

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I dont see how you can lay this down. Looking at the action, KK, and maybe K9 are the only reasonable hands he could have that beat you.
If he has AA or a9 then you gotta pay him off, and make a note that he's a donk.

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Why would he be a donk for playing a higher boat like this?

[MercifulZidane]

AA and A9 only make higher boats on the river, if he indeed had these hands, then his flop and turn play are pretty bad.

I dunno, but i think i pay KK off here - you only have to call 67 into a 140 pot, and i think this is a bluff or an inferior hand enough of the time to make the call.

(Im sorry you ran into quad nines, lol )

[ajmargarine]

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AA and A9 only make higher boats on the river, if he indeed had these hands, then his flop and turn play are pretty bad.

I dunno, but i think i pay KK off here - you only have to call 67 into a 140 pot, and i think this is a bluff or an inferior hand enough of the time to make the call.

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If villian had AA, he played it OK.

[MercifulZidane]

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AA and A9 only make higher boats on the river, if he indeed had these hands, then his flop and turn play are pretty bad.

I dunno, but i think i pay KK off here - you only have to call 67 into a 140 pot, and i think this is a bluff or an inferior hand enough of the time to make the call.

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If villian had AA, he played it OK.

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Im curious as to how you think this is an OK play for AA, especially in a 3 way pot. Personally, I would never play it like this, the flop check is horrid

ALSO, if he takes this line with AA, then wouldnt he possibly take this line with trip nines as well?