200nl, two AA laydowns

[pokerman37]

both hands are against std 200nl donks

Hand 1)
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($176.51)
BB ($238.93)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($300.80)</font>
<font color="#C00000">MP ($137.52)</font>
CO ($214.40)
Button ($281.67)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, MP calls $8, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>,

Flop: ($16) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

hero bet 14, villian calls

Turn: ($47) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

hero checks, villian bet 15, hero raises to 49, villian raises to 83, hero folds.

the plan wat to crai the turn but he bet too small.



hand 2)
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Button ($296.21)
SB ($232.40)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($200)</font>
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($177.10)</font>
MP ($214.40)
<font color="#C00000">CO ($74.40)</font>

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, UTG calls $8, CO calls $8.

Flop: ($31) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

hero bets 20, vilian calls

Turn: ($50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

hero bets 45, villian raises to 90, hero folds.

[grizy]

first was an instant fold. second one I'd honestly just push him.

[FBP]

Hand 1 makes no sense, give some of your thoughts? Are you planning to crai bluff? I think i hate it, want to hear it from you though. c/r/f on turn i can't imagine this could be good.
Hand 2, which is villain? UTG or CO? This one looks fine. Two pr/sets/str8 headed range, you only beat a few combo draws and will have to play river oop if you continue.

[JackAll]

First hand - why c/r the turn with that turn card and you without the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ?????? Just call and b/f the river.

Second one would be good for a c/r. Tho if he was very passive in the second one, I would bet and fold to a big raise, or call his min-raise since we have immediate odds.

You seemed play them the opposite way that makes sense to me....

[pokerman37]

yer first hand i messed up.

second hand i think my line is ok, and i think his line is very rarley a bluff, he dont do that with tp king...

[pokerman37]

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Second one would be good for a c/r. Tho if he was very passive in the second one, I would bet and fold to a big raise, or call his min-raise since we have immediate odds.

You seemed play them the opposite way that makes sense to me....

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yer about the calling him minraise cos we got odds .... i dunt think thats correct cos its not like we are just calling the extra 45, cos on the riv we most likley gonna have to cal a push.....

[JackAll]

Ah sry ... totally misread the board in h2 - thought it was the third heart on the turn...

[fsista]

Hand 1 is extremely bad. I mean, I don't think the worst people on my buddylist would be able to play that hand worse. IF you want to CR that turn, it cannot be to fold to a minirrr. Either Bet/fold or check/call. Don't try to become fancy.

Hand 2 I need to know the opponent etc. But generally I can see a case for folding there.

[jetsetboy]

Hand 1 I fold as played (but i'm not sure I would ever been able to play a hand like that so maybe i call)

Hand 2 I push or at least I call and call a push on a non too dangerous board (You can definitively find hands that are behind your hand here, some vilains call on this flop with 2 overs and a backdoor fd or a gs think about KhQh/KhJh or QJ or K9 it is really read dependant anyway and I might find a fold here against tight/weak players but even against 2 pairs we have 8 outs, we need to be pretty sure he has J9 or a set quite often to fold to the minraise).

By the way I think it's a very bad idea to bet the turn if you are planing to fold to a minraise, think about the hand from vilain point of view : you bet the flop, if you have a legitimate hand (say Tx or JJ+) the K will be a scary card for you most of the time, it is definitively a good scary card for a bluff and a minraise is a very cheap way to bluff. I know some (very bad) regulars on party who does that quite often with a pp (yeah they all are in my buddy list).

If you are often firing second barrel and vilain is not a tight weak post flop I'm 100% sure it's a push on the turn.

[Isura]

hand 1, horrible.

hand 2, fine.