QQ hits top set on monotone flop...

[Psydoc]

What's the standard line here? Is this pretty much an auto-raise to 70ish? Does anyone ever call in this spot?

Holdem No Limit - $2 BB

SB ($106.15)
BB ($40)
CO ($555.90)
Button ($202.75) [Hero]

Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Preflop: (4 players, $3)
CO calls $2, Hero raises $10, SB calls $9, BB calls $8, CO calls $8

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, $40)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets $16, Hero???

[TiltBro]

This is a tough spot, I probably put in a raise to find out where im at.

[KLJ]

77

[GrandMelon]

How is this a tough spot, raise it up to 60 or 70ish and try to get it in now.

[tannenj]

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This is a delicious spot, I definitely put in a raise for value.

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[epdaws]

OP,

The only reason I'd ever call here is if Villain is like 6/1/0.5 and I'm convinced he doesn't fire unless he has the nuts. I am looking to get top set in with a 100BB stack always, as your opponents will have much wider ranges of messing around than a made flush. Flush draws, combo draws, and other hands will play a role, and you will be missing all kinds of EV if you play this hand too timidly.

Pot it. Call push.

[Psydoc]

Okay, my thinking was that in this situation, with two left to act, two things could happen if I call:

1. Someone behind me raises, and I'll have the chance to reraise all-in with extra cash in the pot.

2. One or both behind might call, but I can definitely take a peak at the turn to see if a spade rolls off - if it doesn't, my equity goes way up.

Thoughts on my thoughts?

[epdaws]

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Okay, my thinking was that in this situation, with two left to act, two things could happen if I call:

1. Someone behind me raises, and I'll have the chance to reraise all-in with extra cash in the pot.

2. One or both behind might call, but I can definitely take a peak at the turn to see if a spade rolls off - if it doesn't, my equity goes way up.

Thoughts on my thoughts?

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I don't have much desire to give a draw behind me gorgeous odds to peel here, and you'll still be amazed at how often a NFD or combo draw will call or shove here. This is like a salt addict the night before going to the Planters Factory: they dream of nuts, and they'll go a long way to see if they can get the nuts.

[tannenj]

or, a spade can roll off, and you can get bluffed off the best hand.

or, a spade can roll off, and a lower set or a queen can fear the flush and not pay you off.

[tannenj]

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This is like a salt addict the night before going to the Planters Factory: they dream of nuts, and they'll go a long way to see if they can get the nuts.

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