BLATANT COLLUSION OK'D by STARS - WTF???

[Sniper]

A little too blatant to not get more airtime... Link to PSS thread

[AntonHeat]

ummm, dude wasn't this when Genius was going allin every hand??? Its not really collusion as I doubt they know each other in real life and he just wanted to know if he can take it as it was ruining there game probably in a way and Genius was just having fun, soo no guess not.?

[mbpoker]

So you are saying that the rule quoted by Stars is a wrong rule? Or are you saying that it didn't apply? Or do you say that you don't care about the rules, it's collusion in your eyes and that's it?

[Sniper]

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So you are saying that the rule quoted by Stars is a wrong rule? Or are you saying that it didn't apply? Or do you say that you don't care about the rules, it's collusion in your eyes and that's it?

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I crosslinked to generate more discussion...

Personally, I think the wrong rule was applied.

What do you think?

[mbpoker]

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What do you think?


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I think that this is an extreme example that exposes a weakness in the rule. But the rule is there nevertheless, and in my experience the same rule is used in every b & m room that I played in. You can find extreme examples for every rule.

If these players would do the same thing repeatedly they should be warned for abuse of the rule. One time is not a big deal. In this specific hand it didn't change anything.

[RikaKazak]

way to put a misleading title...

I still don't see what was wrong with how stars ruled. If I owned the site I would of ruled the same way.

[dlk9s]

It's blatant collusion.

This part of the rule:

"However, players (in the hand or not) may not coach or otherwise suggest how another player should play his hand."

In this discussion:

>xxso icyxx said, "i have 10's alpin"
>xxso icyxx said, "?"
>alpinusa said, "Aj take it"

...xxso, by telling alpin his hand, is looking for confirmation of whether or not he should take on Genius, based on what alpin has. alpin tells xxso to go for it and by telling him his cards, gives him further confirmation that two overcards to his pair are now out of play, thus making it less likely that he'll lose.

This violates the part of the rule that states, "...suggest how another player should play his hand."

I think it's a very poorly worded rule.

[Pokeraddict]

I think Stars is missing the fact there is a 3rd person in this hand so this table talk did in fact change the outcome of the hand. Stars, it's time to tighten this rule a bit if this is how you apply it.

[5thStreetHog]

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What do you think?


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I think that this is an extreme example that exposes a weakness in the rule. But the rule is there nevertheless, and in my experience the same rule is used in every b & m room that I played in. You can find extreme examples for every rule.

If these players would do the same thing repeatedly they should be warned for abuse of the rule. One time is not a big deal. In this specific hand it didn't change anything.

[/ QUOTE ]Whether it is against the rules,therefore cheating is one thing.But to imply that it didnt change anything,your eithor high or a complete idiot.

[5thStreetHog]

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It's blatant collusion.

This part of the rule:

"However, players (in the hand or not) may not coach or otherwise suggest how another player should play his hand."

In this discussion:

>xxso icyxx said, "i have 10's alpin"
>xxso icyxx said, "?"
>alpinusa said, "Aj take it"

...xxso, by telling alpin his hand, is looking for confirmation of whether or not he should take on Genius, based on what alpin has. alpin tells xxso to go for it and by telling him his cards, gives him further confirmation that two overcards to his pair are now out of play, thus making it less likely that he'll lose.

This violates the part of the rule that states, "...suggest how another player should play his hand."

I think it's a very poorly worded rule.

[/ QUOTE ]Very accurate,i agree with everything you said.I kinda glossed over the coaching part of the rule at first,but your correct.