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Old 12-14-2006, 08:45 PM
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Default AA, zomg why do both they keep calling?!

Full tilt 75 buy in 18k guarantee. Blinds 25/50. I just took over for my friend who was covering the tournament while i was having breakfeast (yea i know what time it is, shut up) so no reads but the competition in these tend to be fairly weak overall. Stacks:
Me: 3500
Hijack: 3000
BB: 4000

Im in MP with AA.

Preflop: Folds to me, i raise to 150, hijack calls, folds to BB, BB calls.

Flop: Q 8 7 rainbow (475 pot)
BB checks, i bet 300, hijack calls, BB calls.

Turn: 4 complete rainbow board (1375 pot)
BB checks, hero bets 700, hijack calls, BB calls.

River: 2 (3475 pot)

ZOMG!!! Why are they both calling me?! What the hell is going on. Do i bet this? If so how much? Turn/river were TOTALLY harmless and if BB has a set/two pair i feel like he raises turn. WTF is button doing?

Your play?
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Old 12-14-2006, 08:54 PM
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Default Re: AA, zomg why do both they keep calling?!

Shove. The pot is bigger than your stack, and either you are beat or you are doubling up. If they call with only top pair, they were donking anyway.
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Old 12-14-2006, 08:54 PM
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Default Re: AA, zomg why do both they keep calling?!

I think I push. Push>>>>check-calling because button is never ever bluffing if you check (and bb almost never has you beat so there's no added benefit when button checks through). Check-fold might be ok, but I can't see myself actually doing that so I push.

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Old 12-14-2006, 08:59 PM
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Default Re: AA, zomg why do both they keep calling?!

Definitely moving in on the river. You're either beat by a slowplayed set or some dummy is check-calling to showdown with a hand like AQ or KQ.
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Old 12-14-2006, 09:01 PM
Art Vandelay Art Vandelay is offline
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Default Re: AA, zomg why do both they keep calling?!

Chuck it all in there, I think if you were behind to a hand like 56, a set, etc you'd have heard from now? FTP players suck, I wouldn't be surprised to see QT and QJ here.
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Old 12-14-2006, 09:05 PM
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Default Re: AA, zomg why do both they keep calling?!

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Chuck it all in there, I think if you were behind to a hand like 56, a set, etc you'd have heard from now? FTP players suck, I wouldn't be surprised to see QT and QJ here.

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Throw in AQ and maybe KQ too and we have a winner.
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Old 12-14-2006, 09:18 PM
Squale88 Squale88 is offline
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Default Re: AA, zomg why do both they keep calling?!

Played a hand almost identical to this a couple nights ago on FTP. The only difference was there was a K onboard instead of a Q. I pushed the river and both villains called turning up KJ and KT, neither of which beat my AA. So I tripled up.

I agree that sometimes you might get stacked here but the vast majority of the time on FTP these guys just have top pair.
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Old 12-14-2006, 09:27 PM
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Default Re: AA, zomg why do both they keep calling?!

Push the river btw I think you should be betting closer to pot on the flop and turn.
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Old 12-14-2006, 09:34 PM
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Push the river btw I think you should be betting closer to pot on the flop and turn.

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i think this is a good spot to not pot it considering they probably have a combined ~10 outs.
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Old 12-14-2006, 10:31 PM
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Default Re: AA, zomg why do both they keep calling?!

I can see either of them with 56. I think you're probably up against KQ/QJ from at least one of them. I think BB would be more likely than button to have 56 and would lead river, the only 2 pair they could really have is 78, and as you said woudl probably raise turn.

I think you have definite value in a river bet, and if you bet it's a push, they will "put you on AK" often enough to call with a Q, and you don't have enough to bet/fold.
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