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Old 12-13-2006, 10:56 PM
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Default Ultimate Meta game bet or Worst bet in history of poker?

The bet I'm referring to is the bet on the river by UTG

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 (t1470)
Hero (t185)
MP2 (t3160)
MP3 (t1275)
CO (t1615)
Button (t1220)
SB (t1520)
BB (t1685)
UTG (t1370)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t185</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls t185, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls t155.

Flop: (t600) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t600) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, Button checks.

River: (t600) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t210</font>, Button folds.

Final Pot: t810
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: t600 (t600), won by UTG.</font>
<font color="#009B00">Pot 2: t210 (t210), between Hero and UTG.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by Hero (t210).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has 2h 3h (one pair, fives).
Hero has Kh Ks (two pair, kings and fives).
Outcome: UTG wins t600. Hero wins t210. </font>
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Old 12-13-2006, 11:59 PM
Plus1Plus1 Plus1Plus1 is offline
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Default Re: Ultimate Meta game bet or Worst bet in history of poker?

The latter... but how can you not know this? He does not beat a single hand, which includes yours.
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:03 AM
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Default Re: Ultimate Meta game bet or Worst bet in history of poker?

He probably misread the board and thought he had a flush or a straight - either that or he was hoping for a chop.....
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:16 AM
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Default Re: Ultimate Meta game bet or Worst bet in history of poker?

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He probably misread the board and thought he had a flush or a straight - either that or he was hoping for a chop.....

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I actually have a theory about this. Many times I've seen bluffs on the river by people who have checked straight draws. Check flop and turn and feel like they missed a chance to semibluff so they do their betting on the river. But the most perverse form of this bluff is when they catch their draw on THE RIVER. Open ended on the river and they're betting...or even raising. It's just bizarre. Oddly, I hardly ever see the flush draw bet the river.
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:25 AM
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Default Re: Ultimate Meta game bet or Worst bet in history of poker?

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He probably misread the board and thought he had a flush or a straight - either that or he was hoping for a chop.....

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I actually have a theory about this. Many times I've seen bluffs on the river by people who have checked straight draws. Check flop and turn and feel like they missed a chance to semibluff so they do their betting on the river. But the most perverse form of this bluff is when they catch their draw on THE RIVER. Open ended on the river and they're betting...or even raising. It's just bizarre. Oddly, I hardly ever see the flush draw bet the river.

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This play isn't terrible because they bluffed, but because it was impossible to move you off the pot.
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:41 AM
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Default Re: Ultimate Meta game bet or Worst bet in history of poker?

it's terrible because it wins NEVER. If he's successful in pushing the other guy out, he wins zero chips. if he's called, he loses every single time.
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Old 12-14-2006, 03:52 AM
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Default Re: Ultimate Meta game bet or Worst bet in history of poker?

Maybe I misread the post, but how does UTG win the main pot?
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Old 12-14-2006, 06:24 AM
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Default Re: Ultimate Meta game bet or Worst bet in history of poker?

he had 44?
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Old 12-14-2006, 01:34 PM
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Default Re: Ultimate Meta game bet or Worst bet in history of poker?

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Maybe I misread the post, but how does UTG win the main pot?

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yeah, I was trying to figure this part out as well, but from what I assume, the hand was just put into the converter bad and the UTG actually won the side pot and the hero won the main pot.
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Old 12-14-2006, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: Ultimate Meta game bet or Worst bet in history of poker?

Hero won the main pot.

Hero was all in.

UTG bet into a dry sidepot with the nut low. or something. he literally wins never
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