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12-13-2006, 06:33 AM
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The hand that sunk me very deep in FT 109 short handed
FT 109 short handed. Theres 10 players left, i've got a pretty aggressive image. Blinds are 2000/4000 with a 200 ante. Im using smaller raises tonight, especially with my better hands because people are shooting back at me quite a lot. Im utg with QQ.
My stack: 80k. Villian: 60k. Villian is very average player, and not really defineable by TAG/LAG/TW, just average, cold calls some hands he shouldn't, a little loose, a little sloppy. I've played the least hands with him. Preflop: I riae to 10,500, folds to villian in SB, villian calls, BB folds. Flop: K T 2 rainbow (pot 25k) Villian has 50k left in his stack, how do you proceed? 
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#2
12-13-2006, 06:47 AM
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Re: The hand that sunk me very deep in FT 109 short handed
Tough spot.
I would C-bet 15k and check fold unimproved. But I am interested what others have to say about this one
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#5
12-13-2006, 07:49 AM
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Re: The hand that sunk me very deep in FT 109 short handed
ya I'd bet a little more than half pot, fold to push, check behind turn and river unimproved
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#7
12-13-2006, 08:19 AM
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Re: The hand that sunk me very deep in FT 109 short handed
Seriously battletoad2, do you ever read posts? I mean...
[ QUOTE ] Sorry yes, villian checked on the flop. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think checking the flop is too horrible either here, given stack sizes. Betting and folding, getting 2.5:1 or better, is just ugh.
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#8
12-13-2006, 08:50 AM
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Re: The hand that sunk me very deep in FT 109 short handed
I like a check behind here (though a very very similar spot with JJ cost me $$$ in a $55 FO because I checked behind), or I think a bet call is in order. His c/r range is way way bigger than Kx, esp since it is shorthanded.
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#9
12-13-2006, 05:46 PM
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Re: The hand that sunk me very deep in FT 109 short handed
Okay guys im gonna advance the hand a little. I thought it over and decided he coudln't have AK cuase he'd repop pre. He could have KQ and if he sucked more than i thought KJ, other than that i felt like he was 2-4 outing. Since i was a bit short i wanted to accumulate leading up to the final table and i took my chances with checking hoping he'd fire with a worse hand.
Turn: 5 He bets 16,000, i call. I think this is pretty standard, not sure we need a discussion here. River is tougher. River: 2 He bets all in for 34k. Now what???? Did i get what i wanted and have him commit everything behind, or did i just let a K basically stack me?
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#10
12-13-2006, 06:03 PM
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Re: The hand that sunk me very deep in FT 109 short handed
That's the problem with checking the flop. Now we sit on the river with no real idea where we stand. Did he bet the turn because he has solid value with a king? Or did he bet the turn because you checked behind on the flop and he's taking advantage of the fact that you showed weakness? The call on the turn tells him you like your hand somewhat but not enough to raise him. I would have much rather invested 10-12k on the flop with a c-bet when we are still the dominant hand. Where we are now is the river, with an opponent who's telling us he has a king, and we have no evidence to the contrary. Did he check the flop with his king to set a trap? He could have. When you checked behind he realized he better bet now because you want to show this one down. By the same token he may have JJ or less and think he's good. We don't have a clear picture, but he says we're beat and we have to cut our losses here and learn from it. Define that hand on the flop next time [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].
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