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12-13-2006, 02:08 AM
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2/4NL, Standard fold with top pair on that flop?
SB is 30/10 preflop. Agressive postflop but kind of standard.
No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $2/$4 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $412 Hero: $1095.86 CO: $94 Button: $150.50 SB: $416 BB: $404 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $14</font>, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds. Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($46, 3 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $32</font>, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $100</font>, Hero ??? I put him either on a flush draw or on a set. So call flop and reevaluate? Out of position this would be a fold right? 
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#2
12-13-2006, 12:28 PM
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Re: 2/4NL, Standard fold with top pair on that flop?
bump!
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#3
12-13-2006, 12:33 PM
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Re: 2/4NL, Standard fold with top pair on that flop?
Its very situation dependant.
Of course folding sucks from theoretic perspective nevertheless vs passive people (and 30/10's are usually passive) this fold makes a lot of sense.
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#5
12-13-2006, 12:43 PM
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Re: 2/4NL, Standard fold with top pair on that flop?
often i'll call here and re-evaluate. if he checks a blankish turn, you're almost certainly ahead. if not, well maybe you're better off letting it go.
the 2 low cards make a NFD+wheel or NFD+4 draw more likely, so be on the lookout for aces, threes, fours and fives. fold wouldnt be a terrible idea, but if you're gonna fold KQ here all the time you might as well not bet it in the first place.
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#6
12-13-2006, 12:50 PM
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Re: 2/4NL, Standard fold with top pair on that flop?
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It's hard to put him on anything for the moment. Take it up with a min 3 bet, then reevaluate. [/ QUOTE ] That is pure spew... it folds out nothing and commits us even more to calling a big bet on the turn (to say nothing of reopening the betting). Against this opponent, this is a pretty easy fold. This could even be AK or a tricky AA, but more likely a set. You're beating a bluff and KJ, which will probably never raise here oop.
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#7
12-13-2006, 01:27 PM
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Re: 2/4NL, Standard fold with top pair on that flop?
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often i'll call here and re-evaluate. if he checks a blankish turn, you're almost certainly ahead. if not, well maybe you're better off letting it go. the 2 low cards make a NFD+wheel or NFD+4 draw more likely, so be on the lookout for aces, threes, fours and fives. fold wouldnt be a terrible idea, but if you're gonna fold KQ here all the time you might as well not bet it in the first place. [/ QUOTE ] Check behind turn if checked to?
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#8
12-13-2006, 01:33 PM
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Re: 2/4NL, Standard fold with top pair on that flop?
I'm not one to fold that easy nor get bluffed. You've got to be willing to throw your money around even if your up against the tightest player here. If it's a tricky AA, there's no way he's just going to call your reraise. You still can escape this hand. If he has AK, he'll probably just call. Any sets would probably move in just like Aces would. So, with the 3 bet, either you end it on the flop with your raise, or you have just been a rape victim. If he calls, you have to basically surrender your hand. On the bright side, you did'nt go down without a fight!
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#9
12-13-2006, 01:34 PM
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Re: 2/4NL, Standard fold with top pair on that flop?
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often i'll call here and re-evaluate. if he checks a blankish turn, you're almost certainly ahead. if not, well maybe you're better off letting it go. the 2 low cards make a NFD+wheel or NFD+4 draw more likely, so be on the lookout for aces, threes, fours and fives. fold wouldnt be a terrible idea, but if you're gonna fold KQ here all the time you might as well not bet it in the first place. [/ QUOTE ] This is good advice. Also, per his preflop stats, he can have KT/KJ here fairly ofte, and please notice the difference betweeen the K and the 4 on board- all pocket pairs in between are "second pair," which is fairly important to note.
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#10
12-13-2006, 01:37 PM
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Re: 2/4NL, Standard fold with top pair on that flop?
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I'm not one to fold that easy nor get bluffed. You've got to be willing to throw your money around even if your up against the tightest player here. If it's a tricky AA, there's no way he's just going to call your reraise. You still can escape this hand. If he has AK, he'll probably just call. Any sets would probably move in just like Aces would. So, with the 3 bet, either you end it on the flop with your raise, or you have just been a rape victim. If he calls, you have to basically surrender your hand. On the bright side, you did'nt go down without a fight! [/ QUOTE ] Just take the opposite of this post and you'll do fine.
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